Kavanaugh endorsement rescinded

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Rubee said:
How do you know what I would’ve done regarding Hilary Clinton? Stop projecting, please. I will not join a lynch mob. These assumptions about people is why you think you know what Kavanaugh did when you obviously do not.
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You told me what I know and don’t know, and you didn’t even know if I was a man or woman.
 
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Augustinian said:
But even more important, is how a defeat of Kavanaugh this week will make it a lot more difficult to get qualified and good people to agree to an appointment. President Trump may have an approved list of qualified appointees, but how many will tell him “Thanks but no thanks, Mr. President. It is an honor to be considered, sir, but my family just can’t take this kind of abuse.”
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I think there would be several people willing to take the job. They just have to curb any impulse to lie. But that’s just my opinion. Naturally, I don’t know.
 
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PetraG said:
Thinking he had carte blanche to practically yell at a committee of the Senate as if it were 1970 and they were a bunch of wayward students was a gross miscalculation, at best. If that was really the best he could do and not just a miscalculation, then he really isn’t suitable for the role he’s been nominated to fill.
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So, tell me, was Lindsey Graham rendered “unsuitable” for his role as Senator because of his “carte blanche” not just to “practically yell,” but actually yell at half of the committee of Senators?

Compared to Kavanaugh, Graham was far more animated, combative and loud. So, is he also unsuitable?

Come now, let’s be consistent.
 
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I know you don’t know what it’s like to be humiliated like Kavanaugh, yes, and that you don’t know what he did or did not do. I repeat it, confidently. You straightup compared a court room examination to this situation. Unless you’re OJ Simpson or Oscar Pestorius, I know your case did not compare to this in terms of notoriety. So yes. You have no idea what you’re talking about when you confidently assert how people in this situation should react. You’re just judging which is easy to do.

Your gender is irrelevant to this.^
 
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ConstantLearner said:
I think there would be several people willing to tale the job.
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I’m sure there will be. But not qualified people from appellate courts or other prestigious gigs. Probably more people who are used to attacking and are already involved in politics- like when President Eisenhower picked Earl Warren.

I think you might be looking at Justice Ted Cruz or Justice Mike Lee.
 
ConstantLearner said:
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Augustinian:
But even more important, is how a defeat of Kavanaugh this week will make it a lot more difficult to get qualified and good people to agree to an appointment. President Trump may have an approved list of qualified appointees, but how many will tell him “Thanks but no thanks, Mr. President. It is an honor to be considered, sir, but my family just can’t take this kind of abuse.”
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I think there would be several people willing to tale the job. They just have to curb any impulse to lie. But that’s just my opinion. Naturally, I don’t know.
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The issue has nothing to do with an impulse to “lie” and you know it. Quit inventing pretexts.

You also know the level of attack by the Dems and the media will certainly dissuade qualified individuals from stepping forward, which is precisely what would make you pleased with your pious and glib apologia on behalf of the machinations of the Dems.
 
Rubee said:
I know you don’t know what it’s like to be humiliated like Kavanaugh, yes, and that you don’t know what he did or did not do. I repeat it, confidently. You straightup compared a court room examination to this situation. Unless you’re OJ Simpson or Oscar Pestorius, I know your case did not compare to this in terms of notoriety. So yes. You have no idea what you’re talking about when you confidently assert how people in this situation should react. You’re just judging which is easy to do.
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No, you do not know that. If you do, prove it. I have firsthand knowledge of what people on a public situation face when falsely accused.
 
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HarryStotle said:
You also know the level of attack by the Dems and the media will certainly dissuade qualified individuals from stepping forward, which is precisely what would make you pleased with your pious and glib apologia on behalf of the machinations of the Dems.
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No, I don’t believe it will. I may be wrong. You might be wrong. We have differing opinions, and neither of us knows for sure.

Oh, I’m not pious about any political party. I didn’t vote for Clinton, but I also didn’t vote for Trump. I was on Kavanaugh’s side until the defensive posture and the lies began. I do admit, I can’t stand Trump.
 
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HarryStotle said:
The issue has nothing to do with an impulse to “lie” and you know it. Quit inventing pretexts.
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No, I don’t know that. There are compulsive liars who experience the urge quite frequently. I don’t think Kavanaugh is one, but I do think he lies when backed into a corner and confronted with his lies. I think he lies to cover his lies, which he’s been doing, and which has just gotten him in more and more trouble until most Americans, or about half, do not want to see him confirmed.
 
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Augustinian said:
I’m sure there will be. But not qualified people from appellate courts or other prestigious gigs. Probably more people who are used to attacking and are already involved in politics- like when President Eisenhower picked Earl Warren.
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Well, time will tell. This go round, I do believe Kavanaugh will squeak by unless the FBI report turns up something disqualifying or Collins, Murkowski, and Flake all vote “no,” which I think is unlikely.
 
ConstantLearner said:
No, you do not know that. If you do, prove it. I have firsthand knowledge of what people on a public situation face when falsely accused.
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Different people respond in different ways.

I think we will have a lot more aggressive candidates nominated in the future for the court.

One thing which is interesting is how ads are being bought on TV both in favor as well as opposed to Kavanaugh. You didn’t see that back in the day.

Regardless of whether Kavanaugh is confirmed or not, I expect to see nominated justices doing campaigning to try and put pressure on Senators to confirm in key states.
 
I agree 100% with that. At least during Trump’s administration.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
or Collins, Murkowski, and Flake all vote “no,” which I think is unlikely.
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Do you think that Manchin, Donnelly or Heitkamp might agree to vote for Kavanaugh’s confirmation, to try and help save their seats? Their constituents are solidly behind President Trump.
 
Donnelly’s already said he’ll vote against, though that doesn’t mean he will.

Heitkamp, maybe.

Manchin, probably, the most likely of the three to vote “yes.”

Heitkamp is the one who needs the votes the most, though, but things can change. Donnelly and Manchin, who are leading their Republican opponent, could lose votes if they don’t vote to confirm.
 
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It’s impossible to make assumptions about Kavanaugh when he’s already displayed his true character for everyone to see. He can only depend on people like you to make sure he dodges any moral consequences.
 
ConstantLearner said:
Donnelly’s already said he’ll vote against,
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That is what puts the senator in such a hard spot. The Democratic leadership was really ratcheting it up with the stories of drugs and rape trains to push Kavanaugh to withdraw or our President to pull his name, so it would come down to a vote. Donnelly might not have said that, if he actually thought he would have to follow through.
 
All three are in a pretty tight spot. Political strategy isn’t easy, especially with this president when things change from hour-to-hour. Strange times when even the President and First Lady are rarely seen together, let alone all the other things going on. I’ve never seen such a divided US.
 
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