Kavanaugh endorsement rescinded

[on_the_hill]

Ok, gotcha. The ‘woman’s body’ argument. So you acknowledge it’s fully human but not independent. So you’re ok with abortion at 9 months then. At least it’s a consistent position. An immoral one, sure, but not illogical.

I’m pro-life (why on Earth do I feel compelled to state that on a Catholic forum?!). However, I don’t think your argument hits the pro-choice position from the right angle.

In the case of the 9 m.o. baby, someone other than the birth mother could take care of him or her. The baby is entirely dependent on another human being, but it’s not the same as being in the womb and dependent on the mother.

 

[on_the_hill]

What really weakened Kav was his comportment during the hearing.

As for why he refused to give an answer about an FBI investigation–he’s following the playbook he got from Grassley and the others. Even if, in his heart of hearts, he 100% fully wanted an FBI investigation, there’s no way he could publicly deviate from the plan.

If he had said he wanted the investigation, the Dems could attack him for changing his position on it, and the Rs would attack him for risking his nomination in order to appease the Dems.

 

[Augustinian]

The problem with an FBI investigation at this point in time is that it could easily delay a confirmation vote until after the Mid Term Election.

I think if it would have been done in July, when the Democrats found out about it, it would have been a different story.

If you put aside the fact the FBI really has nothing to investigate, no witnesses outside the complainant, no date when it supposedly happened, no site to tape off as the crime scene, it just seems to be a way of pushing it off.

And of course, if we get past election day, the nomination is dead and no one will have any further interest in this whole episode.

The results of the Midterms will either mean the Democrats will win- in which case the FBI investigation is irrelevant as confirmation is defeated regardless of the result.

Or alternatively, the Republicans win, which means the FBI investigation is irrelevant as well. The President will withdraw Kavanaugh’s name in favor of a hardcore conservative justice, since the R majority will be secure and the fall Supreme Court session would be almost over, the urgency will be gone.

 

[ProVobis]

I’m pro the life of the woman, and I’d happily pay more taxes to provide both the health service and children’s services with the means to do their job effectively.

FWIW, Medicaid pays for almost 50% of the deliveries within the U.S. I would hate to see what would happen if they cut such funding.

 

[Augustinian]

FWIW, Medicaid pays for almost 50% of the deliveries within the U.S. I would hate to see what would happen if they cut such funding.

I don’t think that will happen, but if it did, I would expect the price for delivery to decrease significantly.

Not that many years ago, when I was born, most people didn’t have insurance and the bill for my own delivery was $150 and my parents still have the receipt, although I suppose its too late for a return at this point in time.

Abortions have not been paid for by insurance or the government due to the Hyde Amendment, and with regular cash customers, the prices are reasonable.

Ditto with the new eye surgeries that aren’t covered by insurance.

 

[EricF]

When the pro-choicers say “This is my body!”, as a Catholic Christian, I see that as the ultimate profanation of those same words spoken by Jesus.

 

[meltzerboy2]

I am pro-choice but I must agree with you there. The Democrats are stalling and doing everything possible not to confirm Kavanaugh for as long as possible, perhaps hoping he will withdraw or Trump will remove his nomination. In my view, neither will happen because the evidence against him by Dr. Ford and the other two women is appallingly weak. While I would have preferred a more centrist judge (or a liberal), I cannot say that I would vote against Kavanaugh on the merits. But who knows how this will all play out after the targeted FBI investigation, or what the repercussions will be in the midterm elections? We’ll have to wait and see.

 

[ProVobis]

Abortions have not been paid for by insurance or the government due to the Hyde Amendment, and with regular cash customers, the prices are reasonable

I would hardly call any money spent on abortions reasonable.

I think I know what you meant though.

 

[HarryStotle]

I believe Dr. Ford. I therefore conclude that Judge Kavanaugh should not be confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Yeah, no. Your “belief” is irrelevant to the truth of the case and is, for that reason, irrelevant to whether Kavanaugh should be confirmed.

There is such a thing as what is true and real, which may or may not correspond to what you believe.

That is the reason evidence and facts count toward judicial findings and that what individuals, far removed from those facts, merely “believe” count as nothing.

That you would come on here and present your beliefs as conclusive as to whether Kavanaugh should be deprived of a seat on the Supreme Court is, to put it mildly, audacious.

Perhaps you should contact the FBI and tell them that they should dispense with their investigation and just trust you to provide what ought to be their conclusion?

 

[Shakuhachi]

There is evidence enough for me that he does not have the disposition to be on the Supreme Court.

 

[Augustinian]

There is evidence enough for me that he does not have the disposition to be on the Supreme Court.

You don’t think that Anger is an appropriate response when someone is destroying your life, career and family?

 

[HarryStotle]

I wouldn’t complain about the process (what, he didn’t know there would be political attacks involved?); and I absolute would have demanded a full investigation and a subpoena of the guy supposedly watching me commit this horrible act.

Except he didn’t complain about the process, he complained about the corruption and hijacking of the process, which is a far different thing.

You might have demanded a “full investigation” of the guy who supposedly watched the horrible act, if that guy were psychologically stable and healthy. Judge is an alcoholic and suffering through cancer at the moment, I believe.

Your demanding that he be called to be part of a media spectacle might be the least caring and heartless thing you could do to him, but you wouldn’t know that would you standing as you do “on principle,” no matter how misinformed that principle is.

 

[meltzerboy2]

LOL Wouldn’t that be a hoot?!

 

[Godfollower]

Yeah, no. Your “belief” is irrelevant to the truth of the case and is, for that reason, irrelevant to whether Kavanaugh should be confirmed.

There is such a thing as what is true and real, which may or may not correspond to what you believe.

That is the reason evidence and facts count toward judicial findings and that what individuals, far removed from those facts, merely “believe” count as nothing.

That you would come on here and present your beliefs as conclusive as to whether Kavanaugh should be deprived of a seat on the Supreme Court is, to put it mildly, audacious.

Perhaps you should contact the FBI and tell them that they should dispense with their investigation and just trust you to provide what ought to be their conclusion?

You’ve got it backwards. He isn’t being deprived of anything; it isn’t his seat. There are only eight people on the planet who have a right to a seat in the US Supreme Court, and that’s the eight currently active justices. The burden is on Judge Kavanaugh to show why he should be entrusted with such an incredible responsibility.

If you want my reasoning why he hasn’t met that burden, just keep reading this thread.

 

[Augustinian]

Judge is an alcoholic and suffering through cancer at the moment, I believe.

Mr. Judge also already submitted a written statement on his recollections of the alleged event- specifically that he has none.

There is really no reason to ask him to sit for questions- his responses were crystal clear.

 

[Augustinian]

He isn’t being deprived of anything; it isn’t his seat.

Kav is being deprived of his good name and his reputation. If the Democrats want to reject his confirmation, they can vote against him.

But the personal , unfounded attacks, trying to destroy the man’s entire career and family, that’s really too much.

 

[HarryStotle]

There is evidence enough for me that he does not have the disposition to be on the Supreme Court.

Your standards for “not having the disposition” are questionable, and completely lack empathy for what Kavanaugh has been put through.

That is evidence enough for me that you do not have the disposition to make judgements about someone’s disposition.

See how that works?

 

[meltzerboy2]

Do you mean due to Kavanaugh’s temperament while defending himself from what he thinks are false allegations? Or are you referring to his labeling the Democrats as executing a “hit job”? Yet haven’t we had impassioned Supreme Court justices giving their take on cases?

BTW, wasn’t Kavanaugh caught in a lie involving his knowledge of a Russian - I don’t remember whom? Does this have any significance to anyone?

 

[HarryStotle]

You’ve got it backwards. He isn’t being deprived of anything; it isn’t his seat.

He has been nominated by due process, so he does have a right to be duly considered for that position and not be unfairly deprived of taking that seat.

I’ve read enough of your thinking to know that it isn’t very compelling, but do continue and we can fairly assess whether you can make anything resembling a case.

 

[resolute]

I have never heard of America Magazine until this thread. This could be their attempt at relevance or publicity.