Killing Animals for "Sport"

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4elise said:
Forgive me if this question - from a non hunter seems so uninformed — when hunting with an arrow how much chance is there for injury and not a kill vs using a riffle?
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I do not know the percentages, or even if anyone has ever bothered to collect such data, but bow hunting is very lethal. It is harder because one must have a closer shot. The arrow head is composed of four very sharp blades that slice deeply and will cause the animal to bleed out when the heart is not hit as long as any significant artery is hit.
 
pnewton said:
I do not know the percentages, or even if anyone has ever bothered to collect such data, but bow hunting is very lethal. It is harder because one must have a closer shot. The arrow head is composed of four very sharp blades that slice deeply and will cause the animal to bleed out when the heart is not hit as long as any significant artery is hit.
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Thanks… but now I kind of wish I hadn’t asked. 😦
 
vz71 said:
I think I posted this in another thread, but it bears repeating here.

True morality is not dictated by time.
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And I agree with you - it is never moral to mistreat animals or abuse the gift of creation.
 
I would have to disagree with you, however, about population control. In the US animal numbers are purposefully manipulated.
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They are not. How do you get that idea?
The continent did just fine with its wild populations before white man made his appearance. We have altered the natural predator /prey ratio, disrupted habitats, etc., etc
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.True, and because of that, there is less habitat -making existing habitat more concentrated with animals.
Ironically, we somehow only need to hunt specific groups of animals–like deer–while other populations (that we are not so interested in hunting) seem to manage all by themselves.
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What manages themselves? rabbits? squirrels? They do not need as much habitat.
 
CntrySngr72 said:
As a hunter most of my life I can only give my :twocents:

When I first started hunting as a young boy with my father, I’ll never forget crying when dad shot that first Rabbit. It started yelling and sent shivers down my spine. But, as dad explained with the rabbit, we thank God for our food, and I also ask Him to relieve their suffering. When we started deer hunting I realized that these majestic animals were a creation of God, and were beautiful sights to behold. I also came to understand that God placed them here for us to survive on.

I’m reminded of the Passover. God told the people to take the blood of an unblemished lamb and place it on the door posts. But that wasn’t all that they were to do with that lamb…if you read closely they were also commanded to EAT the lamb. So if they were to use the blood and go to bed without eating it, they would get up in the morning and their first born son would be dead…eating meat is biblical! 😃

Now, I personally confess that I have never got a deer - Oh, I’ve tried, but ‘buck fever’ got the best of me on more than one occassion. I grew up out west in Utah and 12 years ago moved to Indiana for a job and here you can’t rifle hunt, so I haven’t been in quite some time. However, I recently started shooting Bow and fell in love with it, and decided this year I would try my hand at bow-hunting.

If God grants me the shot to get a deer, I will try…not for the ‘sport’ of it, though the thrill of the chase is exhilirating, but for the meat itself. I love deer meat and its been a long time since I’ve had any. The farmers around here love for hunters to use their land to clear the deer overpopulation that eat their crops (soy beans and corn - stuff the vegans eat)…In Indiana we are allowed to take 1 buck and multiple doe’s…I have promised God that if I get more than one, the rest will go to the local food bank. (We have local processors who will process the meat for free and deliver it to the food bank.)

I am Pro-Life, from conception to natural death…but I also believe in putting food on the table for my family. And yes, in the beginning the clothes, bow, etc. are expensive - but over time the meat I’ll get from hunting will cost less and less compaired to the rising costs of processed meats.
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vz71 said:
I think I posted this in another thread, but it bears repeating here.

True morality is not dictated by time.
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This is not a very useful statement. It’s true in so far as it goes, but living in time means that circumstances sometimes change. Another way to put it would be that Truth never changes. Sure. But right now I can say it is October - next month that wouldn’t be the truth. Change is part of the nature of time which God created, and unchanging Truth and what happens in time have a complex relationship.

To give a biblical spin - as a Christian I would say that the Christian message is the Truth, and the moral implications that follow from that. There is no need for me, for example, to circumcise my children.

But for the Jews before Christ it was a very important thing to do because God had commanded them to do it.

The correct moral action indicated by God Himself changed. God, however, did not change.

And of course it is always possible that people realize that what they thought was moral actually isn’t - morality hasn’t changed in that case, but our understanding of it has.
 
Bluegoat said:
This is not a very useful statement. It’s true in so far as it goes, but living in time means that circumstances sometimes change. Another way to put it would be that Truth never changes. Sure. But right now I can say it is October - next month that wouldn’t be the truth. Change is part of the nature of time which God created, and unchanging Truth and what happens in time have a complex relationship.

To give a biblical spin - as a Christian I would say that the Christian message is the Truth, and the moral implications that follow from that. There is no need for me, for example, to circumcise my children.

But for the Jews before Christ it was a very important thing to do because God had commanded them to do it.

The correct moral action indicated by God Himself changed. God, however, did not change.

And of course it is always possible that people realize that what they thought was moral actually isn’t - morality hasn’t changed in that case, but our understanding of it has.
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Agreed. An example was the keeping of slaves in the OT, also referred to by St Paul. We know now that it was never right.
 
bigfootbob said:
That angers me also.:mad: People that can’t shoot should not hunt…
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So they should be administered a test, like we have for drivers of automobiles??? That would greatly reduce the number of hunting licenses sold! It might also reduce the hunting accidents, like the Dick Cheney hunting faux pas (now, do you think he hunts for need, or sport?). And every year some kid gets killed chasing deer with the big boys. In the US many states are issuing licenses for younger and younger kids.
 
Bluegoat said:
This is not a very useful statement. It’s true in so far as it goes, but living in time means that circumstances sometimes change. Another way to put it would be that Truth never changes. Sure. But right now I can say it is October - next month that wouldn’t be the truth. Change is part of the nature of time which God created, and unchanging Truth and what happens in time have a complex relationship.

To give a biblical spin - as a Christian I would say that the Christian message is the Truth, and the moral implications that follow from that. There is no need for me, for example, to circumcise my children.

But for the Jews before Christ it was a very important thing to do because God had commanded them to do it.

The correct moral action indicated by God Himself changed. God, however, did not change.

And of course it is always possible that people realize that what they thought was moral actually isn’t - morality hasn’t changed in that case, but our understanding of it has.
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Another good post!!!
severus68 said:
Agreed. An example was the keeping of slaves in the OT, also referred to by St Paul. We know now that it was never right.
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Exactly!!!
 
Marfran said:
So they should be administered a test, like we have for drivers of automobiles??? That would greatly reduce the number of hunting licenses sold! It might also reduce the hunting accidents, like the Dick Cheney hunting faux pas (now, do you think he hunts for need, or sport?). And every year some kid gets killed chasing deer with the big boys. In the US many states are issuing licenses for younger and younger kids.
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I don’t have all the answers. The number of hunting accidents are going down every year though thanks to hunter education. Statistically, you are more likely to get killed driving to your hunting spot than actually hunting.
 
Marfran said:
From an inside view. In the US we do all kinds of things to manipulate the populations of animals that we want to hunt. Including eliminating natural predators.

animalsvoice.com/edits/editorial/essays/hunting/oppose_hunting.html
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There is no proof.
Employing biologically perverse methods of manipulating deer populations, skewing natural sex ratios of deer (killing mostly bucks) to propagate larger fawn “crops”
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In most of WI, we had to shoot a doe before a buck, and we also had an extra ‘doe only’ season last year.
 
Newbie2 said:
Are you implying that most people that torture animals will become serial killers?
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The implication is that the likelyhood of them being a serial killer is much greater.

It is like saying “Most who die from cirrosis of the liver were heavy drinkers.” This does not mean that most who are heavy drinkers will die from cirrosis of the liver, only that this is an action that increases the odds of the result occurring.
 
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