killing in the military

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Sir Knight:
It amazes me how you accept the Word of Christ in certain areas when it comes to loving thy neighbor but don’t accept the Words of Christ when He gave absolute authority to His church to shepard His flock and their official position on this matter. But is you want to keep this purely scriptural, then reconcile your above quotes with these passages:
  • Leviticus 20:10 - And the man or woman that committeth adultery with another man’s wife or another woman’s husband, even he or she that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife or her neighbour’s husband, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death with hate.
  • Exodus 21:16 - And he or she that stealeth a man or woman, and selleth him or her, or if he or she be found in his or her hand, he or she shall surely be put to death.
  • Leviticus 20:11 - And the man or woman that lieth with his or her father’s wife or mother’s husband hath uncovered his or her father’s or mother’s nakedness:both of them shall surely be put to death; with pure hatred, their blood shall be upon them.
  • Exodus 21:17 - And he or she that curseth his or her father, or his or her mother, shall surely be put to death.
  • Leviticus 20:2 - Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he or she shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him or herwith stones and pure hatred.
  • Exodus 22:19 - Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
  • Leviticus 19:20 - And whosoever lieth carnally with a man or woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband or wife, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given him or her; he or she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because he or she was not free.
  • Exodus 31:14 - Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death
  • Leviticus 20:12 - And if a man or woman lie with his or her son or daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
  • Exodus 31:15 - Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
  • Leviticus 20:13 - If a man or woman also lie with mankind or womankind, as he or she lieth with a man or woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
  • Exodus 35:2 - Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
  • Leviticus 20:27 - A man or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
  • Numbers 3:10 - And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest’s office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
  • Leviticus 24:16 - And he or she that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he or she shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him or her: as well the stranger, as he or she that is born in the land, when he or she blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
If killing is wrong, why did God command people to be put to death for certain actions? Answer me that! Keeping in mind that according to Malachi 3:6 & James 1:17, God does not change. God has always been absolutely perfect - God can become neither better or worse. God does not change; therefore what God says is right, or wrong, is for all time.

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Remember, when he was crucified, Jesus called out, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what thy’re doing.”
 
Sir Knight:
And scripture has it in Malachi 3:6 & James 1:17 that God does not change from generation to generation. So, if it was okay 3000+ years ago to “make war on them until you have wiped them out and completely destroy those evil people” (1 Samuel 15:18), then it is okay to do so now because God does not change.

No, but it can prevent that murderer from killing someone else.
It also prevents the killer from repenting, thus ensuring the he/she goes stright to hell. No one want to go to hell, right?
 
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estesbob:
That its OK to use military force to defend the nation.
That nation is no-one’s but Satan’s. It’s an earthly thing, and St. Paul said, “Do not love the world.” Where in the bible does it say we should love the world and worship the world leaders? Like I said, it’d be like saying, “Hail Caeser.”
 
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Giver:
Well you sound like a good Jew. Christ completed the law. To be a Christian you need to follow Jesus. Ask Him.
Giver
Right said, Giver!! You tell them!!
 
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Giver:
Well you sound like a good Jew. Christ completed the law. To be a Christian you need to follow Jesus. Ask Him.
Giver
Hello Giver,

Can you be a “follower” of Jesus without obeying the law, with all your heart and strength, as Jesus commands?

NAB MAT 19:16

“Teacher, what good must I do to possess everlasting life?” He answered, “Why do you question me about what is good? There is One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." “Which ones?” he asked. Jesus replied “You shall not kill”; ‘You shall not commit adultery’; ‘You shall not steal’; ‘You shall not bear false witness’; ‘Honor your father and mother’; and ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
 
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777:
That nation is no-one’s but Satan’s. It’s an earthly thing, and St. Paul said, “Do not love the world.” Where in the bible does it say we should love the world and worship the world leaders? Like I said, it’d be like saying, “Hail Caeser.”
I agree with you. IMO, Jesus called us to peace. We are not to fight for kingdoms of this world for this is not our home or His kingdom. Again and again Jesus tells us to love our enemies. If we lose our life in this world due to violence yet we ourselves have kept Christ’s peace we are rewarded with heaven. As for the Old Testament violence, that was the Old Covenant. IMO when Jesus said he would cause division, he meant division between those who would follow him and those who would not - thus it would separate families and loved ones. Remember, swords into plowshares.
 
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777:
Right said, Giver!! You tell them!!
Christ founded a Church, not a book. We look to the Church as the authority. The bible must be interpreted faithfully, not out of context and erroneously.
 
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koda:
I agree with you. IMO, Jesus called us to peace. We are not to fight for kingdoms of this world for this is not our home or His kingdom. Again and again Jesus tells us to love our enemies. If we lose our life in this world due to violence yet we ourselves have kept Christ’s peace we are rewarded with heaven. As for the Old Testament violence, that was the Old Covenant. IMO when Jesus said he would cause division, he meant division between those who would follow him and those who would not - thus it would separate families and loved ones. Remember, swords into plowshares.
hello koda,

Jesus tells us that the entire Old Testament is based on loving ones neighbor and loving God. Is this the truth or a lie?

NAB MAT 22:36 The Great Commandment.
“Teacher, which commandment of the law is the greatest?” Jesus said to him:

“‘You shall love the Lord your God
with our whole heart,
with your whole soul,
and with all your mind.’
This is the greatest and first commandment. The second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole law is based, and the prophets as well.”
 
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Giver:
Isn’t it strange you have to quote a man (Thomas Aquinas) to justify killing, war.
As you are just a man, your commentary on the teaching of Christ are to be disregarded too, right?
I will quote Jesus our Lord and God who says there is no justification for killing. (Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”
giver
I will quote from Jesus too…
Jesus Christ:
I will strike her children dead.” (Rev 2:23)

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matt 10:34)

***“let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.” ***(Luk 22:36)
Quoting from God again,
“***To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven…***a time of war, and a time of peace.” (Eccl 3:1,8)
Since I’m to disregard the teaching of men, INCLUDING YOU and all others who pretend to make themselves their own infallible pope, and only go off the Word of God, I agree that there is indeed a TIME FOR WAR and a TIME FOR PEACE.
 
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fix:
Christ founded a Church, not a book. We look to the Church as the authority. The bible must be interpreted faithfully, not out of context and erroneously.
You don’t know that.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
As you are just a man, your commentary on the teaching of Christ are to be disregarded too, right?

I will quote from Jesus too…

Quoting from God again,

Since I’m to disregard the teaching of men and women, INCLUDING YOU and all others who pretend to make themselves their own infallible pope, and only go off the Word of God, I agree that there is indeed a TIME FOR WAR and a TIME FOR PEACE.
That was maybe the wars in the old testament.
 
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777:
That was maybe the wars in the old testament.
The OT God is the same as the NT God. Nonetheless, I’ve quoted from NT. Furthermore, as Giver et al are in the business of discounting merely human bible commentary, your commentary and his are equally unworthy of consideration, too, right? Or was that as ridulous sounding to you as it was to me? Oooops, was that merely human of me. Back to merely quoting from the Bible without human words appended to it I suppose. :rolleyes:
 
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777:
You don’t know that.
Of course we do. In fact it was the belief of all Chrisitans for 1,500 years. Unfotunatly many Christians have been led griviosuly astray-embracing doctrines that lead them to make serious theological errors on an almost on a daily basis. Doctrines that lead them to them to believe that they, on their own ,can infallibly interpret Sacred Scripture. Doctrines that have led them to turn their back on 2,000 years of teachings and traditions of the One True Church. Doctines that lead them to beleive they are not held accountable for their behavior on this earth.

Jesus left his Church in good hands-the One True Church that he founded to guide us after his death. The One True Church where on can actually follow his instructions to eat his body and drink his blood. Many left him when he commaned this-many more remain estranged from his Church today. It is sad.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
The OT God is the same as the NT God. Nonetheless, I’ve quoted from NT. Furthermore, as Giver et al are in the business of discounting merely human bible commentary, your commentary and his are equally unworthy of consideration, too, right? Or was that as ridulous sounding to you as it was to me? Oooops, was that merely human of me. Back to merely quoting from the Bible without human words appended to it I suppose. :rolleyes:
So it’s ok to deny the enemy a chnce to repent, to send them right to hell?
 
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777:
So it’s ok to deny the enemy a chnce to repent, to send them right to hell?
Where did anyone say that?

BTW-at the Armageddon are Christians to lay down their weapons and let the Anti-Christ overrun them? (not that i Beleive that such a battle is ever to occur BUT I know many of our seperated bretheren do and was wonderng what their take on it was).
 
Fighting the War and the Peace: Battlefield Ethics, Peace Talks, Treaties, and Pacifism in the Jewish Tradition
Michael J. Broyde
jlaw.com/Articles/war1.html

give this article a read, it is from a Jewish perspective, but it does make a lot of sense.
 
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dbacks5439:
i was wondering if you are in the military, is it justified to kill enemies of the united states, or are you sill breaking the 5th commandment?
You better believe it IS!!👍
 
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777:
So it’s ok to deny the enemy a chnce to repent, to send them right to hell?
Hello Grunch,

Do you think it was evil for Jesus/The Holy Spirit and St. Peter to kill Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1)? They certianly were not given the opportunity to repent.
 
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dbacks5439:
i was wondering if you are in the military, is it justified to kill enemies of the united states, or are you sill breaking the 5th commandment?
Self-defense. I don’t shoot at anyone is isn’t shooting at me.
 
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