killing nonhuman animals

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I killed mice this week. I am fixing to kill any more mice that set their furry little paws into my house. I do NOT plan to eat them! :eek: I also am not killing them for fun! I am killing them because they are vermin and rodents and are dirty, disease carrying critters. I do not want them bringing fleas, parasites, and other grossness into my home and infesting my food or my pets’ home!
Hahaha, I must add something that I forgot to say. Actually I want to say that we must kill any harmful animal.But for the rest we should kill the harmless animal when we want to eat them 😉
 
Grain is not good for cattle, its not their proper food and can give them septic stomach. I think Cows should eat grass.
It is excessive grain that was studied, in sixteen cows, with a very wide spread in acidosis. I think this study found what it set out to find (as is often the case in this type of animal research). In any case, it does not address the taste of grain-fed as opposed to grass-fed.
 
ok. Do you mind if I run with that idea in my usual way? Maybe I will start with Genesis where some people say there was no death before the fall of creation. If that were so then animals would have been perfect and would never die no matter how long they lived. But now, after the fall, animals must die. One might take a wooden literal sense from the story, and it might not be wrong, that since the fall, animals, in order to retain their created perfection - or as much of it as they can - animals have had to resort to using reproduction and death to maintain the perfection of good undamaged genes before sickness or death got hold of them. So since the fall of perfect animals in Genesis animals have adapted the strategy of defeating the imperfections of their fall by good selective breeding and by adapting predators to capture any genes that may be disadvantageous. So animal species are kept very pure and healthy despite having to contend with a fall from perfection, by adapting a very severe solution, selection and death.
Because you are European you probably know about the Scottish deer herds all over the highlands. For several centuries there have been no predators of deer in Scotland. The wolf became extinct long ago. In the interests of preserving the vegetation of the Scottish highlands and preventing starvation it became necessary to cull the deerscottishwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/deer-cull-should-continue-says-scottish-wildlife-trust/. Some talk of reintroducing wolves to the highlands floats around at times but I see that there are 350,000 red deer in the highlands and that will mean a huge number of wolves to control them. I don’t think residents would be too happy. Now, you can extend that line of thinking across Europe. In the interests of animal welfare and nature we will let all farmed cattle go free from farms into the wild, if there is any left. The hardier breeds which did survive the first winter would quickly multiply and cover Europe. Because they have no predators they will out grow the environment and begin to die slowly of starvation and sickness, like the deer, after they have damaged the vegetation of Europe. Culling and wastage would be inevitable.
As I said in the beginning, nature has established balances for animals. Those balances don’t harm the animals, they actually benefit and help the animals to live. Animals are not people, they are not rational, they don’t manage themselves. They rely on nature to manage them. If nature fails to manage them they start to suffer. Humans are part of nature. We contribute to the management of animals and in many areas we take over the role of nature altogether where people have found they cannot tolerate living with wild predators. We do rationally what nature does by necessity.
One of the reasons why large populations of livestock exist is the demand for their meat. If meat were phased out, the populations should decrease unless they were bred for some other reason.

Regarding culling and population control, certain things are done by humans out of necessity yes however I believe this should only be done out of absolute necessity and as comfortably for the animals involved as possible. There needs to be more general respect for animal life, and this will provide the guidance I would think as to the morality of an action. One values animal life or they do not. If they do, the practical issues you have brought up will become problems we can work to solve, instead of insurmountable obstacles. One either thinks the rest of God’s creatures are worth the effort, or not.

I am not condemning anyone who does not see things the way I do. However the meat industry, especially as it is today, is purely for our own pleasure and benefit and does not by itself benefit nature.

Before someone brings up abortion and how we should be spending time trying to protect human life - well, do it then. One can fight to protect human life and animal life at the same time. I find it odd that the same people who argue that human life and non-human animal life are intrinsically different, also seem to constantly see campaigns for animal rights/welfare as coming into conflict with the wellbeing of humans.
 
One of the reasons why large populations of livestock exist is the demand for their meat. If meat were phased out, the populations should decrease unless they were bred for some other reason.

Regarding culling and population control, certain things are done by humans out of necessity yes however I believe this should only be done out of absolute necessity and as comfortably for the animals involved as possible. There needs to be more general respect for animal life, and this will provide the guidance I would think as to the morality of an action. One values animal life or they do not. If they do, the practical issues you have brought up will become problems we can work to solve, instead of insurmountable obstacles. One either thinks the rest of God’s creatures are worth the effort, or not.

I am not condemning anyone who does not see things the way I do. However the meat industry, especially as it is today, is purely for our own pleasure and benefit and does not by itself benefit nature.

Before someone brings up abortion and how we should be spending time trying to protect human life - well, do it then. One can fight to protect human life and animal life at the same time. I find it odd that the same people who argue that human life and non-human animal life are intrinsically different, also seem to constantly see campaigns for animal rights/welfare as coming into conflict with the wellbeing of humans.
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One of the reasons why large populations of livestock exist is the demand for their meat. If meat were phased out, the populations should decrease unless they were bred for some other reason.

Regarding culling and population control, certain things are done by humans out of necessity yes however I believe this should only be done out of absolute necessity and as comfortably for the animals involved as possible. There needs to be more general respect for animal life, and this will provide the guidance I would think as to the morality of an action. One values animal life or they do not. If they do, the practical issues you have brought up will become problems we can work to solve, instead of insurmountable obstacles. One either thinks the rest of God’s creatures are worth the effort, or not.

I am not condemning anyone who does not see things the way I do. However the meat industry, especially as it is today, is purely for our own pleasure and benefit and does not by itself benefit nature.

Before someone brings up abortion and how we should be spending time trying to protect human life - well, do it then. One can fight to protect human life and animal life at the same time. I find it odd that the same people who argue that human life and non-human animal life are intrinsically different, also seem to constantly see campaigns for animal rights/welfare as coming into conflict with the wellbeing of humans.
Maybe someday there will be some mega-catastrophy because unless we descend once again into the stone-age [vegetarian] I don’t foresee a future without animal products. I still cannot get past the idea that every other animal can eat other animals except us.
 
Maybe someday there will be some mega-catastrophy because unless we descend once again into the stone-age [vegetarian] I don’t foresee a future without animal products.** I still cannot get past the idea that every other animal can eat other animals except us.**
I dont foresee an immediate future without animal products either. I dont pretend to offer easy answers but surely we should at least work towards not having to rely on animals to survive in ways that cause stress and death (at our hands).

As to the part I bolded, well the way I see it, - We should work towards not having to eat other animals, because we are human beings, a higher being, with reason, morals and all that jazz. I know that many people who focus on us ‘being at the top of the food chain’ love the idea of us being predators. Maybe it harks back to when we actually were cavemen? Anyway my point is, as cool as that idea is, fact is we are better than the lions, tigers and crocodiles amongst others who eat other animals because they do not know better.
 
Maybe someday there will be some mega-catastrophy because unless we descend once again into the stone-age [vegetarian] I don’t foresee a future without animal products. I still cannot get past the idea that every other animal can eat other animals except us.
Well, we say we are different. WE have free will and superior intellect. Animals kill for food, to protect, out of instinct. I am told they had to follow the consequences of Man’s fall. Humans kill out of greed, for power etc.
Isaiah 11 speaks of the new world where alll will lie with each other in peace, predator and non predator,
 
I dont foresee an immediate future without animal products either. I dont pretend to offer easy answers but surely we should at least work towards not having to rely on animals to survive in ways that cause stress and death (at our hands).

As to the part I bolded, well the way I see it, - We should work towards not having to eat other animals, because we are human beings, a higher being, with reason, morals and all that jazz. I know that many people who focus on us ‘being at the top of the food chain’ love the idea of us being predators. Maybe it harks back to when we actually were cavemen? Anyway my point is, as cool as that idea is, fact is we are better than the lions, tigers and crocodiles amongst others who eat other animals because they do not know better.
I know so much that I know I need 9 essential amino acids. [the essential essential ones]
These I get from meat.
I know I’m an omnivore.
I know God created me.
Ergo He created me to eat a well balanced diet.
 
Well, we say we are different. WE have free will and superior intellect. Animals kill for food, to protect, out of instinct. I am told they had to follow the consequences of Man’s fall. Humans kill out of greed, for power etc.
Isaiah 11 speaks of the new world where alll will lie with each other in peace, predator and non predator,
I kill animals. I kill them to eat them. The nutrients in them are necessary for my health and well being, they are the natural source of these nutrients. I know of no vegetable that has omega 3.
 
I kill animals. I kill them to eat them. The nutrients in them are necessary for my health and well being, they are the natural source of these nutrients. I know of no vegetable that has omega 3.
I believe the only nutrient we would lack/have difficulty getting by eating no animal products is Vit B12 which can be supplemented by a pill.
 
I know so much that I know I need 9 essential amino acids. [the essential essential ones]
These I get from meat.
I know I’m an omnivore.
I know God created me.
Ergo He created me to eat a well balanced diet.
I know as much that I know that vegetarians can in both theory and practice get all essential nutrients from their diet without consuming animal meat.

This tells me that for the average healthy person, using animals for their meat is not necessary, despite the convenience of it and that it feels good.

I know God created my brains along with me.

I know that God approves of the direction I am taking with regards to my diet. 😃
 
It is excessive grain that was studied, in sixteen cows, with a very wide spread in acidosis. I think this study found what it set out to find (as is often the case in this type of animal research). In any case, it does not address the taste of grain-fed as opposed to grass-fed.
Exactly. A blanket statement that cows should eat only grass and no grain is not supported by research.
I believe the only nutrient we would lack/have difficulty getting by eating no animal products is Vit B12 which can be supplemented by a pill.
Fat soluable vitamins; A D E K.
 
From another thread;

Acts 28:3-6 (Douay Rheims)

3 And when Paul had gathered together a bundle of sticks, and had laid them on the fire, a viper coming out of the heat, fastened on his hand.

4 And when the barbarians saw the beast hanging on his hand, they said one to another: Undoubtedly this man is a murderer, who though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance doth not suffer him to live.

5 And he indeed shaking off the beast into the fire, suffered no harm.
 
does any reader of this post know of any catholic doctrine or beliefs concerning catholics killing nonhuman animals of any sort? specifically, under what circumstances is it morally approved to kill an animal; and is there any difference between, for example, killing an ant and killing a monkey?

whitecrayon
If you read the The Gospels of the Holy Twelve and The Essene Gospels of Peace, a man asked the question to Jesus about killing an animal if another man was being attacked. That is the only time you might kill an animal to protect another. But to slaughter animals for food is forbidden. Pick up those two books and you’ll see what Jesus wanted us to do. Why would most of the early Catholic Saints be vegetarian if we weren’t supposed to eat meat. These books say that eating meat is from the Devil. Look at all the sick people in the world and especially in the US who have died from heart disease and cancer and dibetes, etc… it’s all because we eat animal flesh. It’s not good for us. Read the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament also. I stopped eating all meat and fish almost 4 years ago and I am the healthiest I have ever been. My coworkers who eat meat and dairy are sick all the time, I am always here at work, I save the company dollars by not being out sick. I haven’t had the flu or a cold or anything and i am off ALL medications for asthma. It’s wonderful to feel good all the time.
MAFD
 
If you read the The Gospels of the Holy Twelve and The Essene Gospels of Peace, a man asked the question to Jesus about killing an animal if another man was being attacked. That is the only time you might kill an animal to protect another. But to slaughter animals for food is forbidden. Pick up those two books and you’ll see what Jesus wanted us to do. Why would most of the early Catholic Saints be vegetarian if we weren’t supposed to eat meat. These books say that eating meat is from the Devil. Look at all the sick people in the world and especially in the US who have died from heart disease and cancer and dibetes, etc… it’s all because we eat animal flesh. It’s not good for us. Read the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament also. I stopped eating all meat and fish almost 4 years ago and I am the healthiest I have ever been. My coworkers who eat meat and dairy are sick all the time, I am always here at work, I save the company dollars by not being out sick. I haven’t had the flu or a cold or anything and i am off ALL medications for asthma. It’s wonderful to feel good all the time.
MAFD
Its the Church teachings you should be paying attention to. The Church (given authority by God) teaches we can eat meat. It is not forbidden. Are you rejecting the Church teaching? Are you saying Jesus was a vegetarian and told people not to eat meat?
 
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