Klingons, Romulans,The Borg, Cardassians, and Vulcans!

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Marilena said:
none of them why? not even DS9 with the bajorans and their prophets.
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Not even the Borg? The collective allowing everyone to be on the same page, remembering what Jesus said, “That they may be one, just as you and I are one.”
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 What about the way we want everyone to be included in the Church? Not saying we should go around assimilating everyone but still, both have the desire for everyone to be a part of them. 


The Borg queen has the utlimate authority. What she says, goes. Same for the Pope, except without the evil?
 
dbacks5439 said:
Not even the Borg? The collective allowing everyone to be on the same page, remembering what Jesus said, “That they may be one, just as you and I are one.”
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 What about the way we want everyone to be included in the Church? Not saying we should go around assimilating everyone but still, both have the desire for everyone to be a part of them. 


The Borg queen has the utlimate authority. What she says, goes. Same for the Pope, except without the evil?
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the difference between the Borg is that when someone is assimilated, they don’t have a say in it, it is done by force, and if the being being assimilated is not good enough to be a Borg they are cast aside as irrelevent. the difference between the Church and the collective is the Church’s members all have free choice and nothing is done by force. the pope does not force his will on the laity, and he does not have a cast aside policy.
 
Marilena said:
the difference between the Borg is that when someone is assimilated, they don’t have a say in it, it is done by force, and if the being being assimilated is not good enough to be a Borg they are cast aside as irrelevent. the difference between the Church and the collective is the Church’s members all have free choice and nothing is done by force. the pope does not force his will on the laity, and he does not have a cast aside policy.
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True. Same could be said about the member races of the Dominion as well.
 
Marilena said:
Species 8472 is the species from series Voyager that lived in fluidic space that the Borg were trying to assimilate.
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Species 8472 were the race that was kicking the Borg in their collective “donkey” until Voyager showed up!!😛
 
Borg: Saved the Star Trek series from collective oblivion. Can you imagine how boring the Star Wars movies were (ep. 4-6) without Darth Vader, Death Star and the Emperor?
 
childofmary1143 said:
Species 8472 were the race that was kicking the Borg in their collective “donkey” until Voyager showed up!!😛
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2 things Janeway did wrong, 1: she go tthe ship stranded in the Delta Quadrant, 2: she made a deal with the Borg to get through their space for a “shorter” trip home. Thus she let the Borg develope a weapon to defeat 8472.
 
Marilena said:
2 things Janeway did wrong, 1: she go tthe ship stranded in the Delta Quadrant, 2: she made a deal with the Borg to get through their space for a “shorter” trip home. Thus she let the Borg develope a weapon to defeat 8472.
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Are you implyng Janeway only did TWO things wrong?:p:rolleyes:

Rewatching Voyager on Spike, I’m groaning more every episode I’ve watched of the first couple of seasons. My appreciation of DS9 went up 5,000,000 percent after rewatching the whole run but it’s been the opposite with Voyager. Please get to the Scorpion two-parter and cue Seven!

But, gotta admit, the opening credits and music to Voyager are probably the best of any of the series, in my opinion.
 
Brian_C said:
Are you implyng Janeway only did TWO things wrong?
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I think Janeway was a horrible Captain, but at least she wasn’t so amazingly enept that a 14 year old boy (Wesley) could consistantly provide the solution that eluded her.
 
Well, what you see mirrored in the various captains is the writers’ cultural biases. Kirk was a rock’em sock’em action hero influenced by Hollywood westerns. Picard was a diplomat inspired by the Left’s reaction to Reagan-era politics. Janeway was vulnereable and constantly questioned. If she hadn’t been a scientist, she’d have been worse than Picard in that aspect. Voyager eliminated the need for the Wesley factor, giving its Captain a better technical knowledge.

Sisko is the enigma. One has to wonder if writers used his “blackness” as license for him to act more agressively in such a PC era.
 
Brian_C said:
Well, what you see mirrored in the various captains is the writers’ cultural biases. Kirk was a rock’em sock’em action hero influenced by Hollywood westerns. Picard was a diplomat inspired by the Left’s reaction to Reagan-era politics. Janeway was vulnereable and constantly questioned. If she hadn’t been a scientist, she’d have been worse than Picard in that aspect. Voyager eliminated the need for the Wesley factor, giving its Captain a better technical knowledge.

Sisko is the enigma. One has to wonder if writers used his “blackness” as license for him to act more agressively in such a PC era.
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Personaly, I think Avery Brooks was just transfering his “Hawk” persona from the Spenser for Hire series–which wasn’t bad at all–and was especially apparent when Sisko had to use an antique 12-gauge shotgun!

“Immeadiete cooperation or instant hospitalization!”–Hawk
 
True, true. I guess it was more of a cave to his previous celebrity more than anything.
 
Timidity said:
I think Janeway was a horrible Captain, but at least she wasn’t so amazingly enept that a 14 year old boy (Wesley) could consistantly provide the solution that eluded her.
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Please Please Janeway was a GREAT Captain. I would take her over any of the others. Let’s see what she had to overcome:

75 000 from the Alpha Quadrant with absolutely no help and half her crew being fugitives that she was sent to apprehend. Facing hundreds of hostile species and managing to instill hope in her crew to get home.

Voyager faced off against the Borg 7 times and never lost one of her crew to them IN THEIR TURF. She heroically led a mission in the tiny Delta Flyer to one of the Borg Hubs and faced off with the Borg Queen with trillions of Borg drones in the immediate vicinity to rescue one of HER crew. I can’t imagine a more selfless Captain than Captain Janeway.

Captain Janeway is in a class all of her own.
 
Besides Kate Mulgrew is Catholic and is very openly Pro Life and has publicly stated her devotion to St. Therese of the Child Jesus:)
 
Cue the Lion, the Scarecrow, the Tin Man, and Dorothy:

“Klingons, Ferengi, and Borg, oh my!
Klingons, Ferengi, and Borg, oh my!”

😃

DaveBj
 
childofmary1143 said:
Besides Kate Mulgrew is Catholic and is very openly Pro Life and has publicly stated her devotion to St. Therese of the Child Jesus:)
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Well that changes everything!😃

Lol, I concede her Borg fighting skills were second to none later in the show. But in the first couple of seasons, she seems so lightweight and vulnerable. Maybe it was the switch in hairstyles?😃

What I hate is the fact that there is little to NO interaction between Captains in the Trek universe. IE, where was Picard when Sisko was fighting the Dominion? I know there were practical limitations in getting together casts but come on! Throw us a bone!😛
 
Brian_C said:
Well that changes everything!😃

Lol, I concede her Borg fighting skills were second to none later in the show. But in the first couple of seasons, she seems so lightweight and vulnerable. Maybe it was the switch in hairstyles?😃

What I hate is the fact that there is little to NO interaction between Captains in the Trek universe. IE, where was Picard when Sisko was fighting the Dominion? I know there were practical limitations in getting together casts but come on! Throw us a bone!😛
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Well yes her hair style went through some eras. In the beginning she looked like Katherine Hepburn with her hair in a bun. Then it was kinda long like Dr. Quinn then finally we got Katherine Janeway

As for interaction what Captain could Janeway interact with?
 
I watched a couple of good strong Janeway episodes last night. She’s rather cold in “Tuvix” and the final scene in “the Thaw” was exceptional!
 
As for interaction, yes, Janeway’s off the map. But Sisko and Picard? What was Picard DOING during the Dominion War?
 
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