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bookgirl32
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That’s exactly what I was thinking!
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Havard
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This guy became famous overnight, and with that, the subject of criticism and personal scrutiny from millions of strangers all over the globe. I don’t see the need to look for a supernatural answer, when there’s a natural one staring us right in the face.Anyone think that Kony put a curse on Jason Russell? Maybe we need to pray for this man and send him a St. Benedict’s medal or something.
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bookgirl32
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I’m not saying I think he was possessed or anything. But spiritual oppression can be common, and spiritual desolation happens to all of us, especially when we’re trying to do something good that influences a lot of people. Even if it’s not either of those, prayers and a St. Benedict medal can do nothing but good.This guy became famous overnight, and with that, the subject of criticism and personal scrutiny from millions of strangers all over the globe. I don’t see the need to look for a supernatural answer, when there’s a natural one staring us right in the face.
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yellowbird
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Yes. The spirit world has angels and demons.Anyone think that Kony put a curse on Jason Russell? Maybe we need to pray for this man and send him a St. Benedict’s medal or something.
I think he needs our prayers.
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bellasbane
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Very true.This guy became famous overnight, and with that, the subject of criticism and personal scrutiny from millions of strangers all over the globe. I don’t see the need to look for a supernatural answer, when there’s a natural one staring us right in the face.
Also very true!I’m not saying I think he was possessed or anything. But spiritual oppression can be common, and spiritual desolation happens to all of us, especially when we’re trying to do something good that influences a lot of people. Even if it’s not either of those, prayers and a St. Benedict medal can do nothing but good.
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Jmondi
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I thought Joseph Kony was dead…
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Sherriesalinas
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Praying for peace for all.
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ryecroft
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If you really want to know what the fellow in the video was doing rent a copy of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - you’ll see much of the same behaviour - but I will warn you it’s a rater R movie-
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kinja
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Please read the link posted by gilliam:I really can honestly say that I don’t know much about any of this, only what I’ve read in the past few days. What’s bothering me about the criticism against IC is that, for one, there is this straw man argument being set up of “they’re making all this money and then not giving it to the children.” They’re not making it in order to give it to the children. They’re openly and honestly making it to try to raise awareness of the problem in a way that they think will make a difference. They could be wrong about that in and of itself, but I don’t for a second think that they’re running a scam to make money. That claim is ridiculous.
Secondly I’m bothered by the claim that they’re fostering the image of Africans “not being able to help themselves”. I get that the people of Central Africa need to feel empowered, that they can very well learn how to take care of themselves, that they are just as smart and capable as we in the US are, and all of that is very true. But acknowledging that help is needed doesn’t do anything to refute any of that. What would those critics have people do, nothing? None of these “scholars” and other charities seem to have any problem throwing condoms at them as opposed to educating them about abstinence, thereby insinuating that they’re, what, incapable of self control, or to dumb to learn about abstinence. How is that any different?
I think many are actually kind of pissed off that their work never received this kind of attention. I have a friend who worked for the Carter Center in the early 2000’s and she said they tried and tried to get the word out that this was happening, and never could. The bickering is ridiculous, and it sounds like it’s coming from jealous middle schoolers, not supposedly highly educated philanthropic activists.
blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/07/guest_post_joseph_kony_is_not_in_uganda_and_other_complicated_things
The issue is surely no strawman bookgirl. The finances is only ONE aspect of this Kony 2012 thing that should be concerning to anyone who wishes to buy into this idea or support it. The issue is misinformation using social media and dramatic film making to galvanize support for US occupation of central Africa.
If you have been following the news for the last few years (not just CNN and BBC but REAL news) you would have known that China has been making inroads into Africa for trade and investment in raw materials (oil, gold, copper etc). China also hold more than 89% of US debt and they have been described by economists as on of the fastest growing economies in the world along with the rest of the BRIC.
That said the US economy has been on the other hand, on a downward spiral for more than a decade now. War has traditionally been the main means by which capitalist countries come out of a depression and the US is no exception.
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kinja
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Yes people need to educate themselves more. I agree with you. I have been researching Kony, Uganda and how the US is involved and it seems to me that, apart from the fact that Joseph Kony is no longer active in Uganda and has not been for years, he move of the US Gov’t to intervene in Uganda’s socio-political scenario coincides ironically with Uganda’s recent find of oil which is esimated as one of the alrgest land based reserves in the world. Also China’s operation and trade within central africa (power plays?). It seems like apart from questionable financial management by IC the misinformation that they are spreading is very concerning as i should be.I hope that people do their own research and don’t believe everything you are saying either. You are repeating misleading facts, much the same way that politicans do to influence people. I suggest that people look up Invisible Children’s site and see their financial details for themselves.
A lot of what I am hearing of people being sick of seeing it on Facebook is pretty funny. People are sick of hearing about a terrible man that is relatively unknown to most of the world, but have no problem posting and reading useless videos, twitters, and blogs about mundane, boring things.
The apathy I am hearing about what this man is doing is pathetic.
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kinja
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The current Ugandan government is responsible for the murder of 4 Million civilians over the years. Christians in particular are under hreat and have been as the dictator is a radical Muslim and an international war criminal. He gave an orderWell since kony only controls a small part of uganda. One wouldn’t even have to take the boy out of the country. And how is it kidnapping? His parents are dead his entire family is dead. He is alone. Taking a boy in that situation from country to another more stable area is not kidnapping. Yes the uganda government is corrupt. But they are hardly as bad as kony.
Ugandan Govt has been fighting against Kony for 2 decades. It is complicated. Musaveni 's regime has been in power in Uganda for 25 years and has been attacking and detaining civilians in concetraion camps under he guise of keeping them safe from the LRA. I really believe that Kony 2012 is doing more harm than good by masking and twisting the truth to gain public support for a situation which will result in the deaths and displacement of millions more people than Musaveni and Kony combined have ben able to affect in the last 25 years or so.
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kinja
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Actually even though Mr. Kony may not have been siting on any naural resources the Ugandan ruler Museveni is: oil, cobalt, gold, damonds and more. The US and China have much inteest in Uganda and it has nothing to do with saving the children I think but in profit.I normally believe that awareness raising charities are basically a scam, since they help no one, except for their staff.
Nevertheless, there is precisely one way to solve the problem of Mr. Kony – the same one which has been used to deal with Mr. Hussein. The problem of course, is that the only people who can order that are politicians, and, since Mr. Kony is not sitting on any valuable natural resources (as opposed to Mr. Hussein), politicians have no interest in the matter.
Which is precisly why an awareness-raising campaign is the only thing which can potentially hurt Mr. Kony in the long run. Although I am not holding my breath…
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kinja
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When was the last time the government of any western super power went into any sovereign country without vested interests in same? Why did the US gov’t not respond to China’s invading of Hong Kong like hey did with Kuwait? No vested interest. Global leaders know beter than we do the atrocities being commited right now by men in governments which are far more horendous that would make Kony look like a pick pocket.I think you think I’m supporting everything their doing. I’m not necessarily doing that. I’m pointing out that the reasoning behind the criticism that I’ve read seems to be a straw man argument. That’s what’s bugging me. The person they were trying to stop in Iraq was the head of the government, thereby having to rebuild a government once that happened. This is a criminal, not the leader of Uganda. I’m sure there’s much more complexity that I’m portraying here as far as the effects he has on the area’s culture, but still, it’s not the same situation.
As far as a viral campaign against abortion, I’m all for it, no matter where it comes from. Abortion is not an American problem, even though it’s happening here. It’s a human rights problem, as is the situation with Kony.
Show me how Kony 2012 is specifically forming a system of dependency? I’m not arguing that they are or aren’t, I’ve just seen people throwing this around and in articles without any evidence of it.
But Kony has stated that their mission is to stop one man, not “rule a country”. Maybe raising money to get awareness out for one particular mission is wasting resources, I don’t know. But what bothers me is that people are claiming that they’re doing certain things wrong, things that I have yet to read that they themselves are even remotely trying to do.
You’re comparing an organization that is trying to stop one specific man to colonializm and slavery? Kony has never stated they were trying to change a culture, or civilize anyone, as far as I know. Only that they want to stop this man. Again, maybe they’re wasting resources and their efforts will be wasted, I’m just annoyed at the disingeniousness of some of the arguments against them.
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kinja
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Sorry this was a mistake. Museveni is an anglican not a radical muslim I got that post mixed up with another I was posting. It is alleged and there is alot of evidence to suggest that Museveni is actually allied with Raila Odinga from Kenya to assist in supressing and oppressing the christians in Kenya and other nations.The current Ugandan government is responsible for the murder of 4 Million civilians over the years. Christians in particular are under hreat and have been as the dictator is a radical Muslim and an international war criminal. He gave an order
Ugandan Govt has been fighting against Kony for 2 decades. It is complicated. Musaveni 's regime has been in power in Uganda for 25 years and has been attacking and detaining civilians in concetraion camps under he guise of keeping them safe from the LRA. I really believe that Kony 2012 is doing more harm than good by masking and twisting the truth to gain public support for a situation which will result in the deaths and displacement of millions more people than Musaveni and Kony combined have ben able to affect in the last 25 years or so.
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Bellasbane did you know that the current leader of Uganda Museveni is also guilty of such things along with the killing of over 4 million uganda citizens? We cannot just follow a cause blindly becasue it seems to be good either.You are not required to actively engage in every battle against evil - but you cannot be indifferent to evil once you become aware of it. At the very least you must condemn it.
Kidnapping children, forcing children to watch their parents and siblings be murdered, forcing children to actually murder their own parents, turning young girls into sex slaves and forcing young men to mutilate people’s faces. These are among Kony’s crimes.
Now you know.
Helping one bad guy stop lesser one cannot be the answer either if we believe in justice. Why is the Kony 2012 campaign promoting the idea that if society does not pressure the US govt to stay they will leave if they don’t find Kony when the US gov’t never alked about rbinging the advisors back home? Catching Kony is not going to stop rampant child prostitution and other human rights abuses in the country.
All it seems to be doing is giving apathetic young people a casue to “fight” for. I am sure if you check you will find that the majority of the people who are “liking” Kony2012 have not done any real charity work or community service like feeding the poor, visiting the sick and elderly and giving of their time and money to the people in their direct sphere of influence. This video looks like propaganda that plays on the self righteous hypocrisy of our world.
Why do we cry when we see images of suffering in Africa on TV when there are people in need right outside our front doors every other day? We are emoional creatures and this video appeals to that sense above all else. Something as complex as this issues requires a rational approach to a solution as an emoional one will only result in more suffering and hardship for the very people we want to help.
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