Koran burning cancelled

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vz71 said:
What exactly did you spend 18+ years studying?
Surely if it was the church you would be familiar with the term.

And what precisely do you teach in Catholic school? If it is religion, I have a serious issue with this rather large gap in knowledge of the church.
Other subjects, I doubt such a gap would really be an issue.

But just the same…:eek:
My wife learned of the church militant in pre marriage counciling.
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So you learned an antiquated term. I guess that makes you special. What did I spend 18 years learning? Why did I bother getting 30 extra hours in theology.? With your RCIA, I bow to your interpretation of what is important in the Catholic church. thank you for enlightening me. Could it be, dare I say it, the church didn’t teach militant when I went though the system. I’m sorry that I spent the money to send my kids to a catholic school since I’m pretty sure they didn’t learn it either. Forgive me.
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
So you learned an antiquated term. I guess that makes you special. What did I spend 18 years learning? Why did I bother getting 30 extra hours in theology.? With your RCIA, I bow to your interpretation of what is important in the Catholic church. thank you for enlightening me. Could it be, dare I say it, the church didn’t teach militant when I went though the system. I’m sorry that I spent the money to send my kids to a catholic school since I’m pretty sure they didn’t learn it either. Forgive me.
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I hear ya Via…I guess the Diocese of Springfield and the Diocese of Charleston have totally failed me.🤷

But for some reason…I don’t believe I have missed anything…🤷
 
So, has anyone heard anything about any korans being burned today? Ive searched the usual channels and noone of them are carrying any stories about any Korans being burned. I guess mr Jones and the westboro mob thought better of their little stunt.
 
Julianna said:
I hear ya Via…I guess the Diocese of Springfield and the Diocese of Charleston have totally failed me.🤷

But for some reason…I don’t believe I have missed anything…🤷
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I guess we will have to muddle through life in ignorance. More’s the pity.
 
GeoCyclist said:
So, has anyone heard anything about any korans being burned today? Ive searched the usual channels and noone of them are carrying any stories about any Korans being burned. I guess mr Jones and the westboro mob thought better of their little stunt.
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nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/11/2010-09-11_man_ignites_koran_near_ground_zero_apparently_prompted_by_florida_pastor_terry_j.html

just this, it says police escorted him away quickly. I know the westboro baptist church has been ‘said’ to have done it, but, no coverage. Obama asked the media outlets to not cover it as an act of patriotism, so…guess he’s silenced it pretty well.

I’ve been looking out of sheer curiousity and can’t find anything, anywhere.
 
Take that back, they (westboro) have a video on their homepage in which they burn it, along with the ‘doomed american flag’.

They threw in some kindly words for the CC for good measure as well… :rolleyes:
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
That’s why I’m asking when you were trained. I went to a Catholic school right through graduate school. I now teach in a catholic school and have at least 30 hours of additional training. You went to RCia for a year and you are telling me?
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Actually RCIA was longer than a year at my parish. Every parish has their own way of doing things. But the length of that training is irrelevant to the subject at hand. Time has no bearing on truth. Truth is truth. We were given this information during our training.

If it was left out of your training says nothing about the training in my parish and does nothing to alter truth. Before you go around criticizing others and trying to prove that somehow your years of training are superior to fewer years, perhaps you should actually look into the facts of the matter.

The fact is that the “Church Militant” is a reference to those living on the Earth today, as distinguished from those who have gone before. This has been defined by others in the course of this thread, so there is no need for me to repeat it.
 
Catherine_D said:
Actually RCIA was longer than a year at my parish. Every parish has their own way of doing things. But the length of that training is irrelevant to the subject at hand. Time has no bearing on truth. Truth is truth. We were given this information during our training.

If it was left out of your training says nothing about the training in my parish and does nothing to alter truth. Before you go around criticizing others and trying to prove that somehow your years of training are superior to fewer years, perhaps you should actually look into the facts of the matter.

The fact is that the “Church Militant” is a reference to those living on the Earth today, as distinguished from those who have gone before. This has been defined by others in the course of this thread, so there is no need for me to repeat it.
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i’ve actually taken the time to call people who hae a similar background in catholisim. That means they have gone through at least 16 years of catholic education. no one has any knowledge of church militant. I guess the church is lacking in education priority. i hope you can enlighten them.
 
Catherine_D said:
Actually RCIA was longer than a year at my parish. Every parish has their own way of doing things. But the length of that training is irrelevant to the subject at hand. Time has no bearing on truth. Truth is truth. We were given this information during our training.

If it was left out of your training says nothing about the training in my parish and does nothing to alter truth. Before you go around criticizing others and trying to prove that somehow your years of training are superior to fewer years, perhaps you should actually look into the facts of the matter.

The fact is that the “Church Militant” is a reference to those living on the Earth today, as distinguished from those who have gone before. This has been defined by others in the course of this thread, so there is no need for me to repeat it.
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What is the truth that you heard and I missed?
 
If a christian church, synogue or buddist temple was to be built near the site of ground zero would there be such a fuss? How many different religions represented the people who were killed on 9/11?
The pilgrams came to this land so they could practice there faith openly and without persecution.
Early christians were fed to the lions because of their beliefs as were thousands of religious leader’s during WWII.
Hitler was famous for persecuting people of belief and his book burning rallies. Is this the direction we choose?
Jesus did not say to persecute your neighbor, He said “Love thy Neighbor.”
Where is the love?

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Although the terms “Church Militant”, “Church Triumphant” and “Church Suffering” are not specifically stated in my copy of the Catechism, the definitions are found at 954:
The Three States of the Church ~ “When the Lord comes in glory, and all his angels with him, death will be no more and all things will be subject to him. But at the present time some of his disciples are pilgrims on earth. Others have died and are being purified, while still others are in glory, contemplating ‘in full light, God himself triume and one, exactly as he is’”.
Disciples that are pilgrims on earth = Church Militant
Disciples that have died and are being purified = Church Suffering
Disciples in glory = Church Triumphant

There is really no need for anyone to be worried about these terms. If they weren’t part of your religious education, now you have an opportunity to learn something new ~ no problem there, right?

If you simply do a search on Catholic Answers you will see that the mission of the “Church Militant” is Evangelization. It is not something aggressive or violent and anyone who misconstrues it in that fashion is in error.
 
Catherine_D said:
Although the terms “Church Militant”, “Church Triumphant” and “Church Suffering” are not specifically stated in my copy of the Catechism, the definitions are found at 954:
The Three States of the Church ~ “When the Lord comes in glory, and all his angels with him, death will be no more and all things will be subject to him. But at the present time some of his disciples are pilgrims on earth. Others have died and are being purified, while still others are in glory, contemplating ‘in full light, God himself triume and one, exactly as he is’”.
Disciples that are pilgrims on earth = Church Militant
Disciples that have died and are being purified = Church Suffering
Disciples in glory = Church Triumphant

There is really no need for anyone to be worried about these terms. If they weren’t part of your religious education, now you have an opportunity to learn something new ~ no problem there, right?

If you simply do a search on Catholic Answers you will see that the mission of the “Church Militant” is Evangelization. It is not something aggressive or violent and anyone who misconstrues it in that fashion is in error.
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so why denigrate me if I have never heard of this archaic terminology. And I must ask why are you learning this now?
 
Catherine_D said:
Although the terms “Church Militant”, “Church Triumphant” and “Church Suffering” are not specifically stated in my copy of the Catechism, the definitions are found at 954:
The Three States of the Church ~ “When the Lord comes in glory, and all his angels with him, death will be no more and all things will be subject to him. But at the present time some of his disciples are pilgrims on earth. Others have died and are being purified, while still others are in glory, contemplating ‘in full light, God himself triume and one, exactly as he is’”.
Disciples that are pilgrims on earth = Church Militant
Disciples that have died and are being purified = Church Suffering
Disciples in glory = Church Triumphant

There is really no need for anyone to be worried about these terms. If they weren’t part of your religious education, now you have an opportunity to learn something new ~ no problem there, right?

If you simply do a search on Catholic Answers you will see that the mission of the “Church Militant” is Evangelization. It is not something aggressive or violent and anyone who misconstrues it in that fashion is in error.
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No harm. No foul. Why do you even bring this up?
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
I guess we will have to muddle through life in ignorance. More’s the pity.
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Did you have names for the three parts of the Church, or what were you taught about the Communion of Saints? :confused:

I attended RCIA in 1984, again in 1986, and then finally in 2000/2001, and received my Sacraments of Initiation in 2001. All three times, we were introduced to the Communion of the Saints through the teaching about the three parts of the Church - Militant, Suffering, and Triumphant. It’s in lesson four of the book we were using.
 
Charlotte408 said:
Take that back, they (westboro) have a video on their homepage in which they burn it, along with the ‘doomed american flag’.

They threw in some kindly words for the CC for good measure as well… :rolleyes:
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Thanks for the links Charlotte408.
 
I think more focus should be put on how Christians are treated in the islamic world. I would like for one liberal leader to openly call for building a church in Saudi Arabia.

The notion that a wave of islamaphobia is sweeping across the US is nonsense. I doubt there would have been a Koran burning controversy if no mosque were being build neat gound zero. Now I don’t support burning the Koran, anybody who does so is putting troops in danger and isn’t a patriot!
 
matt1985 said:
I think more focus should be put on how Christians are treated in the islamic world. I would like for one liberal leader to openly call for building a church in Saudi Arabia.

The notion that a wave of islamaphobia is sweeping across the US is nonsense. I doubt there would have been a Koran burning controversy if no mosque were being build neat gound zero. Now I don’t support burning the Koran, anybody who does so is putting troops in danger and isn’t a patriot!
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Does Saudi Arabia have a constutution that affirms freedom of religion? do we defend our own constitution?
 
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