LDS church publishes an article teaching about Lent

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TexanKnight:
*I think most Churches are built on being different. When I was Catholic, we Catholics prided ourselves on being different.
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*No…I will agree that Catholic Church is like every other Church. I am sorry to have thought differently
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TexanKnight:
You didn’t pay to go on your mission? That’s unusual.
 
lax16 said:
*I think most Churches are built on being different. When I was Catholic, we Catholics prided ourselves on being different.
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*No…I will agree that Catholic Church is like every other Church. I am sorry to have thought differently
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Well…I guess I was surprised at what you said. I always considered the Catholic Church different…it was unique. Your responses seemed to indicate you did not believe it to be so.
 
lax16 said:
You didn’t pay to go on your mission? That’s unusual.
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Is it? I do not know of anyone who had to pay the LDS Church to go on a mission. Now, we had to pay our way…and there were members who helped out and sent supplies etc. But I never had to pay for anything other than my food and rent for where I stayed. And I did not earn a salary. I was sent forth without “purse or script” Kinda like Jesus instructed…

Like I said, maybe my Parish in Dallas was different, but I had to pay for my wedding. I paid for the Church time and I had to pay the priest. Baptisms were also charged. And in the past, indulges were sold.

I am just suggesting we try to point fingers and say anyone is a salesman. I think we all do all we can to “Go Forth and Teach all Nations.” Catholics and Mormons have great missionary programs
 
lax16 said:
You didn’t pay to go on your mission? That’s unusual.
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A missionary will typically pay some towards their room and board (400/mo-- much cheaper than regular living expenses). If the missionary is unable to support themselves, family and/or church will step in for billing.
 
jane_doe said:
A missionary will typically pay some towards their room and board (400/mo-- much cheaper than regular living expenses). If the missionary is unable to support themselves, family and/or church will step in for billing.
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So true. Most lifelong LDS start saving toward their missions as children…so they end up supporting themselves on their mission.
 
jane_doe said:
A missionary will typically pay some towards their room and board (400/mo-- much cheaper than regular living expenses). If the missionary is unable to support themselves, family and/or church will step in for billing.
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*In November 1990, the LDS Church announced the standardization of mission costs which, at the time, could vary from $150 to $750 a month. The current standardized cost is $400 for missionaries from the U.S.

On top of this are non service-related expenses that are paid with personal funds, says church spokesman Scott Trotter.

“These expenses may include clothing, bicycles, medical costs not paid by the mission, phone calls home and other personal expenses,” Trotter says.
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deseretnews.com/article/865569562/Saving-for-souls-Sending-a-missionary-out-can-be-cheaper-than-leaving-them-at-home.html?pg=all

Obviously this is more money than a Catholic baptism.
 
TexanKnight said:
So true. Most lifelong LDS start saving toward their missions as children…so they end up supporting themselves on their mission.
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They are still paying for it. So to say a Catholic baptism costs more than a Mormon mission is incorrect.
 
lax16 said:
*In November 1990, the LDS Church announced the standardization of mission costs which, at the time, could vary from $150 to $750 a month. The current standardized cost is $400 for missionaries from the U.S.

On top of this are non service-related expenses that are paid with personal funds, says church spokesman Scott Trotter.

“These expenses may include clothing, bicycles, medical costs not paid by the mission, phone calls home and other personal expenses,” Trotter says.
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deseretnews.com/article/865569562/Saving-for-souls-Sending-a-missionary-out-can-be-cheaper-than-leaving-them-at-home.html?pg=all

Obviously this is more money than a Catholic baptism.
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you are mixing apples and oranges.

That is what it will cost a missionary per month to eat and live. The missionary pays his own way…the Church does not pay him. The Bible is clear that you should not get paid…do you expect Missionaries to never eat and sleep outside? You are confusing living expenses paid by the missionary and his family with getting paid for church ordinances. That is different than paying a priest for an ordinance of God…don’t you agree?
 
TexanKnight said:
Is it? I do not know of anyone who had to pay the LDS Church to go on a mission. Now, we had to pay our way…and there were members who helped out and sent supplies etc. But I never had to pay for anything other than my food and rent for where I stayed. And I did not earn a salary. I was sent forth without “purse or script” Kinda like Jesus instructed…

Like I said, maybe my Parish in Dallas was different, but I had to pay for my wedding. I paid for the Church time and I had to pay the priest. Baptisms were also charged. And in the past, indulges were sold.

I am just suggesting we try to point fingers and say anyone is a salesman. I think we all do all we can to “Go Forth and Teach all Nations.” Catholics and Mormons have great missionary programs
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I never said you paid the church to go on a mission.

You said you paid more for a Catholic baptism than for your mission.

Oh boy.
 
TexanKnight said:
you are mixing apples and oranges.

That is what it will cost a missionary per month to eat and live. The missionary pays his own way…the Church does not pay him. The Bible is clear that you should not get paid…do you expect Missionaries to never eat and sleep outside? You are confusing living expenses paid by the missionary and his family with getting paid for church ordinances. That is different than paying a priest for an ordinance of God…don’t you agree?
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I never said any of the above.
 
lax16 said:
I never said you paid the church to go on a mission.

You said you paid more for a Catholic baptism than for your mission.

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Not sure I said that. Please show me where. I looked and did not see it.

I said that I did not pay the CHURCH to go on a mission. I paid living expenses in Honduras.

I paid 200.00 to the priest for the ordinance of marriage as a Catholic. I did not get charged anything to be married when I was LDS the first time.

I hope you see the difference
 
lax16 said:
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I never said any of the above.
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Somewhere we are misunderstanding each other. I apologize for my contribution to that.

Let me ask it this way…

do you believe a God-Commanded CHURCH ordinance should cost money? If so, can you show me where Jesus paid for his baptism?
 
TexanKnight said:
Not sure I said that. Please show me where. I looked and did not see it.

I said that I did not pay the CHURCH to go on a mission. I paid living expenses in Honduras.

I paid 200.00 to the priest for the ordinance of marriage as a Catholic. I did not get charged anything to be married when I was LDS the first time.

I hope you see the difference
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*The only time in any Church I have had to pay anything has been when I was Catholic. I had to pay for a baptism, and I had to pay for a wedding.
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I see what you are saying. However, I never said you pay the church for a mission.

Who conducts Mormon weddings in the temple? We attended a Mormon wedding at a resort performed by the bishop. I wonder if he got paid for his time?

TK, I know that LDS church leaders earn salaries and that mandatory tithing pays for the temples. Catholics do not have that type of requirement. It is far cheaper to pay $200 for a wedding then 10% of your income

That’s apples and oranges.
 
lax16 said:
*The only time in any Church I have had to pay anything has been when I was Catholic. I had to pay for a baptism, and I had to pay for a wedding.
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I see what you are saying. However, I never said you pay the church for a mission.

ah…I apologize…since you were comparing, it seemed you were.

Who conducts Mormon weddings in the temple? We attended a Mormon wedding at a resort performed by the bishop. I wonder if he got paid for his time?

A temple worker called to the position. He does not get paid. I have attended several weddings in the ward condicted by the Bishop…no…there not paid.

TK, I know that LDS church leaders earn salaries and that mandatory tithing pays for the temples. Catholics do not have that type of requirement. It is far cheaper to pay $200 for a wedding then 10% of your income

Well, tithing is God’s rule…not mine. Tithing is Biblical…one can say it no longer a rule…but it IS Biblical. Selling indulges is not. Selling baptisms is not. Selling weddings is not. I am not aware of the Higher leaders getting a salary…but the thousands of ward workers, bishops, stake presidents, etc…they do not receive any pay. Missionaries do not receive any pay.

You did not answer my question about if a person should be paid for doing God-Commanded ordinances like baptisms.
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I did some research…

I found this:

*Some positions in the Church, namely a call to serve in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles or the First Quorum of the Seventy, are “for life” positions, meaning that the man chosen to fill the position serves until the end of his life. In such cases, if required, they are also given a modest living allowance. While many members of the Church are unaware of these allowances, that they exist and that they are comparatively modest was acknowledged in general conference by President Gordon B. Hinckley: “… the living allowances given the General Authorities, which are very modest in comparison with executive compensation in industry and the professions, come from this business income and not from the tithing of the people.[1] Members of the Twelve serve full-time for life; members of the First Quorum of Seventy serve full-time until retirement to emeritus status at age seventy.
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So, the very few General Authorities get a modest living allowance. The thousands of other Church leaders receive no money at all for their work.

Thanks for having me look 🙂 Now I know
 
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TexanKnight:
The only time in any Church I have had to pay anything has been when I was Catholic. I had to pay for a baptism, and I had to pay for a wedding.

I see what you are saying. However, I never said you pay the church for a mission.

ah…I apologize…since you were comparing, it seemed you were.

Who conducts Mormon weddings in the temple? We attended a Mormon wedding at a resort performed by the bishop. I wonder if he got paid for his time?

A temple worker called to the position. He does not get paid. I have attended several weddings in the ward condicted by the Bishop…no…there not paid.

TK, I know that LDS church leaders earn salaries and that mandatory tithing pays for the temples. Catholics do not have that type of requirement. It is far cheaper to pay $200 for a wedding then 10% of your income

*Well, tithing is God’s rule…not mine. Tithing is Biblical…one can say it no longer a rule…but it IS Biblical. Selling indulges is not. Selling baptisms is not. Selling weddings is not. I am not aware of the Higher leaders getting a salary…but the thousands of ward workers, bishops, stake presidents, etc…they do not receive any pay. Missionaries do not receive any pay.

You did not answer my question about if a person should be paid for doing God-Commanded ordinances like baptisms.
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Who is getting paid? If a priest receives $200 for a baptism or wedding, that goes towards the building expenses and turning on the lights, etc.

Gordon B. Hinckley: "the living allowances given the General Authorities, which are very modest in comparison with executive compensation in industry and the professions, come from this business income and not from the tithing of the people
Some members of the Church are unaware that at least some General Authorities do receive a modest living stipend. While it is true that some Church leaders receive a living allowance while they serve in a given position, it cannot be said that the Church has a professional ministry in the traditional sense.

Tithing may be biblical, but should it be mandatory?
 
lax16 said:
The only time in any Church I have had to pay anything has been when I was Catholic. I had to pay for a baptism, and I had to pay for a wedding.

I see what you are saying. However, I never said you pay the church for a mission.

ah…I apologize…since you were comparing, it seemed you were.

Who conducts Mormon weddings in the temple? We attended a Mormon wedding at a resort performed by the bishop. I wonder if he got paid for his time?

A temple worker called to the position. He does not get paid. I have attended several weddings in the ward condicted by the Bishop…no…there not paid.

TK, I know that LDS church leaders earn salaries and that mandatory tithing pays for the temples. Catholics do not have that type of requirement. It is far cheaper to pay $200 for a wedding then 10% of your income

*Well, tithing is God’s rule…not mine. Tithing is Biblical…one can say it no longer a rule…but it IS Biblical. Selling indulges is not. Selling baptisms is not. Selling weddings is not. I am not aware of the Higher leaders getting a salary…but the thousands of ward workers, bishops, stake presidents, etc…they do not receive any pay. Missionaries do not receive any pay.

You did not answer my question about if a person should be paid for doing God-Commanded ordinances like baptisms.
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Who is getting paid? If a priest receives $200 for a baptism or wedding, that goes towards the building expenses and turning on the lights, etc.

Not true, Lax. I paid money for the “rental” of the Church for the wedding (the ceremony, not any reception) and THEN I had to pay the Priest. Should ordinances be for sale?

Gordon B. Hinckley: "the living allowances given the General Authorities, which are very modest in comparison with executive compensation in industry and the professions, come from this business income and not from the tithing of the people
Some members of the Church are unaware that at least some General Authorities do receive a modest living stipend. While it is true that some Church leaders receive a living allowance while they serve in a given position, it cannot be said that the Church has a professional ministry in the traditional sense.

Tithing may be biblical, but should it be mandatory?

As far as I know, God’s commandments are mandatory. I am not sure if it is intentional, but you have not responded to my points about selling ordinances and things like indulgences.
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TexanKnight:
It’s not intentional. I know that you know better. 🙂

(I’ll be back later for more discussion!)
 
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