In an LDS definition of that, it has never been formally declared doctrinal. That is why there was also room for speculation that different races came from different heavenly mothers, which has been speulated as well. What you refer to is the speculation that God locates the spirit children of different Heavenly Mothers on different planets.
Church members very conveniently forget how much leaders continued advising against interracial marriage even after the “revelation” on priesthood. Serving my mission in Brazil this proved a bit confusing, as couples seemed indiscriminately multiracial, and it seemed no issue, even in church.Interesting that you would say that. When I was a missionary in the Taiwan Taipei mission - 1977 to 1979, (then senior apostle) Ezra Taft Benson came to speak at our mission conference.
“Elder” Benson spoke of how there was no blood of Abraham in Asia (contrary to what the bible teaches) and declared that LDS missionaries should not return to Taiwan to marry local Chinese LDS girls. He said “Go back to America and marry a nice white girl so that your parents will have grandchildren they can be proud of”.
He also stated “We are not here to convert the Buddhists. Leave them to their damnation. We are here to convert the Christians”. All of the people I baptized on my mission were Buddhists when I contacted them.
After that conference talk, many elders expressed the sentiment that “if Benson becomes the prophet I will leave the church”.
Well, Benson did become the prophet when Spencer W. Kimball died. Several of those missionaries eventually did leave the LDS church ( a few subsequently became Catholic) but I’m sure that most did not.
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
Then where are these testimonies? You hold to some very intersting speculations of interpreting LDS doctrine. I am curious if you come from the Salt Lake LDS tradition, or some other Mormon faction. Some of your speculation – particularly that one about God not letting the female spirits leave heaven with Satan – I had never heard before. Where did that one even come from?
Croso, you cannot make up you own definitions of common words in order to make them fit with your theology. Polytheism means a belief in many gods. Monotheism is a belief in only one God. The fact that you may not worship the other gods in which you believe has nothing to do with it. To have more than one god, regardless of whether or not one worships him, bears directly on God’s glory, power, and eternal nature. Is the god you worship above all other god’s or is he equal with them? If he shares anything with the others then he cannot be all-powerful, or eternal (before all things).
And where did your god come from if he was once just like us? Don’t you see that he cannot be “eternal” if he had a beginning?
Then how can you claim you are monotheistic if your god also has a god? Where did it all begin, Croso?
Didn’t Jesus deomonstrate that he was God before his resurrection? It was Christ who revealed the Father and the Holy Spirit to us. He didn’t have to accept the Gospel, he is the Gospel; he is the “Good News”.
I find your post is refreshing because it acknowledges some things as valid LDS teachings that others in these forums have denied are so. However, you do mix some points of speculation with valid LDS doctrine.
The latter statement is what Mormonism teaches its members to believe about Catholicism, but it is not true. We believe that revelation has come in a different way since the Christ completed his mission than through the sort of prophets that were in the Old Testament. Regarding the former statement, compare it to your belief about your President Joseph F. Smith’s vision of the redemption of the dead. It was available for study and considered as part of speculation, for the better part of a century and some members chose to believe it. Several doctrines included in it were taught as valid based on other scriptural references. However, it did not become formal doctrine until late in the 20th Century. Did that make it any less “true” before it was formally recognized as doctrinal?
It does not request Joseph Smith’s intercession. It declares it: “Mingling with gods he can plan for his brehtren.”
Croso, I think you need to look into this more deeply. The LDS church, until very recently, has openly taught that both God the Father and Jesus are polygamists. Look up the teachings of Brigham Young on polygamy and you will see his teachings on Heavenly Father’s and Jesus’ plural wives. Many other GAs have echoed his teachings.
OK i didn’t explain that correctly what i met was God banished the men and allowed the women to stay because he thought that the men were influencing their spouses. because no one wants to banished from the heavens. so the women had the choice of going or leaving with their spouses. so they chose to stay i learned this from my dad because i never really studied this.
I have been a member of the church for 17 years and I’ve never EVER heard anything remotely like this, even in my meanderings in the Journal of Discourses.
OK we believe that God was not always God. he was once a mortal like us and went through the same things. then he was exalted by his god. and we believe that it is impossible to create things out of nothing.
purchase the book The Life Before by Brent L. Top and/or Life Everlasting by Duane S. Crowther S. Crowther in Dessert Book store the reason why you haven’t heard about this stuff because its not really common knowledge within the LDS Church.
well we believe that God , Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are separate personages but same in purpose. Jesus is the Son(literally) and the Holy Spirit is also a son but gave up his body to dwell with us on the Earth so he can guide us through our mortal life.
Spouses??? In the pre-existence??? The LDS church clearly teaches (as does the bible) that there is no marrying or giving in marriage except in the flesh here on earth. That is why LDS marriage sealings fro the dead are performed in the temple - because here on earth is the only place that marriages (sealings) can be performed.
So you are reading apostate books. Well, it’s a beginning…
im fourteen and i strongly believe that there are other gods throughout the universe who do the same things that our God does. he organized His creations and it says well it says in our scriptures that in Moses 1:39 **for behold this is my work and my glory to bring pass the immortality and eternal life of man ** so we interpreted that has saying we are going to be resurrected and be immortal in our bodies forever and if we are faithful and true in this life we can one day be exalted and become like our Heavenly Father. i know this to be true in all my heart and i i’m not trying to bring you down or argue im just saying what i believe in and i don’t think i can ever turn away from my religion.
im sorry if i offended you in any way but you don’t have to be rude about it.
well we believe that we were all created in pairs so we did love someone in the pre-existence and you are correct you can only be sealed to them on the Earth in the flesh. im LDS
Sorry if you perceived my comment as rude, but the doctrines you mentioned from those books (and from your dad) are definitely not approved by your church. I’m glad you are searching outside the bounds of your church and not restricting yourself to the LDS party line. That is encouraging.
