LDS: What do you know about your Heavenly Mother? Would you like to know more?

[RebeccaJ]

What I see in Mormonism is an attempt to copy the paganism of the Hebrews as related in the OT. Along with a failure to recognize that God revealed Himself to the prophets of the OT, as One. Thus, a failure to recognize that God lead Israel out of the darkness of “many gods”.

Mormonism wants a return, a spiritual regression, to those ideas and beliefs, expanded to an idea that they themselves are gods in the making.

 

[Inishfree]

No that’s not EXACTLY true. Paganism generally refers to non-Abrahamic religions. Where Mormonism would fall within that Abrahamic circle. Non-Trinitarian, dispensational, restorationists but Abrahamic nonetheless.

Thanks! I didn’t know that.

 

[bluelake]

Our “hesitance” in discussing the matter, as mentioned in the previous Heavenly Mother thread, is that nothing really has been revealed about her [yet]. Therefore, anything else is mere speculation.

Would you consider responding to this?
“Mormonism teaches that God used to be a man on another planet and he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on his home planet.” ?
Do you believe god has a body of flesh and bones? If so, where is this teaching found in the Bible? (Christian Bible)

Mormon men and women have the potential of becoming gods?

How do you judge other folks that have other beliefs?

Blessings,
bluelake

 

[Croso717]

hello guys im a LDS member and i was reading some of your conversations about what we believe about Heavenly Mother. just to let you know we do know that she exists but we don’t know that much about her. also i read that some LDS members believe that God has multiple wives. just to let you know that has not been confirmed by the General Authorities of the LDS church. the only reason why we practiced polygamy in the early days of the LDS church is because we believe that in the premortal existence there was a war in heaven and Satan or Lucifer gathered 2/3 of the human family to join him. we dont know the exact number of thew ppl he gathered. so God banished them from heaven. but he would not let the females go with Satan. so as you can see many women were left without husbands. so that is why we use to practice polygamy. because we believe you cannot enter the kingdom of God without a spouse. but then we no longer practice polygamy because God revealed to the prophet at the time that thew world would not be able to understand it so we no longer practiced it from there on.
i would like to include that the reason that information hasn’t been revealed about our Heavenly Mother because God considers her to be his equal and he does not want her real name to be used in vain or that too would a unforgivable sin. feel free to ask more questions im happy to answer them.

 

[Croso717]

I think that I would classify the LDS “church” as closer to Hinduism, who believe in a multiplicity of “gods.”

im an LDS member, please don’t classify us closer to Hinduism because the Hinduism religion worship multiple gods. we do not. we do believe other gods exist throughout the universe doing the same thing our Eternal Father is but we do not worship them we only worship our God who created us. we don’t like being classified as a pagan religion because we do not worship multiple gods we only worship God the Eternal Father.

 

[TheExorcist]

im an LDS member, please don’t classify us closer to Hinduism because the Hinduism religion worship multiple gods. we do not. we do believe other gods exist throughout the universe doing the same thing our Eternal Father is but we do not worship them we only worship our God who created us. we don’t like being classified as a pagan religion because we do not worship multiple gods we only worship God the Eternal Father.

That’s not true. The scriptures are REPLETE with references to worshipping Christ.

 

[hosemonkey]

im an LDS member, please don’t classify us closer to Hinduism because the Hinduism religion worship multiple gods. we do not. we do believe other gods exist throughout the universe doing the same thing our Eternal Father is but we do not worship them we only worship our God who created us. we don’t like being classified as a pagan religion because we do not worship multiple gods we only worship God the Eternal Father.

There is only ONE God. All others are mere inventions. The idea that mortal humans can become gods is preposterous and an invention of mormonism, a false, manmade religion and product of the imagination of Joseph Smith. Mormonism has no more credibility than paganism. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but mormonism has spent the last 175 years trying to prove it’s origins but has miserably failed. mormons cannot even agree among themselves as to what they believe, trying to pin down mormon doctrine is very much like nailing jello to the wall. When those entrapped in the mormon “religion” do a serious study of the history and origins of their beliefs and their “prophet”, they usually leave.

 

[catholic-rcia]

im an LDS member, please don’t classify us closer to Hinduism because the Hinduism religion worship multiple gods. we do not. we do believe other gods exist throughout the universe doing the same thing our Eternal Father is but we do not worship them we only worship our God who created us. we don’t like being classified as a pagan religion because we do not worship multiple gods we only worship God the Eternal Father.

The two thousand year old apostolic church worships God, creator of existence itself. We worship the Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit just as the Apostles did.
One God forever Amen.

Can you say “My Lord and My God regarding Jesus?”
The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church worships Jesus.
Does the LDS church worship Jesus?
Do you worship Jesus?

 

[SteveVH]

hello guys im a LDS member and i was reading some of your conversations about what we believe about Heavenly Mother. just to let you know we do know that she exists but we don’t know that much about her. also i read that some LDS members believe that God has multiple wives. just to let you know that has not been confirmed by the General Authorities of the LDS church. the only reason why we practiced polygamy in the early days of the LDS church is because we believe that in the premortal existence there was a war in heaven and Satan or Lucifer gathered 2/3 of the human family to join him. we dont know the exact number of thew ppl he gathered. so God banished them from heaven. but he would not let the females go with Satan. so as you can see many women were left without husbands. so that is why we use to practice polygamy. because we believe you cannot enter the kingdom of God without a spouse. but then we no longer practice polygamy because God revealed to the prophet at the time that thew world would not be able to understand it so we no longer practiced it from there on.

And this had nothing to do with the fact that the government was coming down hard on the Mormons for the practice of polygamy? It was just a happy coincidence that God decided to reveal this at that point in time?

i would like to include that the reason that information hasn’t been revealed about our Heavenly Mother because God considers her to be his equal and he does not want her real name to be used in vain or that too would a unforgivable sin. feel free to ask more questions im happy to answer them.

Then why did “Heavenly Father” reveal the Holy Spirit and even His Son, for that matter? Would not the same apply to them? Or is this more of a chauvenistic God who feels a need to protect the ladies more than his Son or the Holy Spirit?

By the way, welcome to this forum.

 

[SteveVH]

im an LDS member, please don’t classify us closer to Hinduism because the Hinduism religion worship multiple gods. we do not. ** we do believe other gods exist throughout the universe doing the same thing our Eternal Father is** but we do not worship them we only worship our God who created us. we don’t like being classified as a pagan religion because we do not worship multiple gods we only worship God the Eternal Father.

You may not worship the other gods, but you admittedly believe in them which, by definition, makes you polytheistic. But even in “Heavenly Father’s” realm, you believe that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are gods (divine beings, seperate and distinct from each other except in purpose). Considering all of this, I find it truly amazing that any Mormon would even try to make the claim that they are not polytheistic.

 

[zaffiroborant]

im an LDS member, please don’t classify us closer to Hinduism because the Hinduism religion worship multiple gods. we do not. we do believe other gods exist throughout the universe doing the same thing our Eternal Father is but we do not worship them we only worship our God who created us. we don’t like being classified as a pagan religion because we do not worship multiple gods we only worship God the Eternal Father.

From our POV, believing that there is only One God, your belief in many gods makes you closer to Hinduism than anything else since they are the only ones who come to mind who acknowledge many gods.

 

[hosemonkey]

And this had nothing to do with the fact that the government was coming down hard on the Mormons for the practice of polygamy? It was just a happy coincidence that God decided to reveal this at that point in time?

The hard fact was that the U.S. government would not grant statehood to Utah as long as polygamy was being practiced. The Old Men of SLC saw the handwriting on the wall and had a very convenient “revelation” and sold a “doctrine” mandated by God down the river. So much for “unchangable” doctrine. As with the “revelation” about Blacks in the priesthood, the polygamy doctrine just got in the way of doing business, so it got dumped. All this was “explained” to the duped faithful by a lot of verbal tapdancing. Welcome to the wacky world of mormon “theology.”

 

[TheExorcist]

And this had nothing to do with the fact that the government was coming down hard on the Mormons for the practice of polygamy? It was just a happy coincidence that God decided to reveal this at that point in time?.

And the church ended up holding out for over 10 years after the civil rights act was passed before “receiving” the “revelation” on blacks and the Priesthood.

 

[Peter_John]

The hard fact was that the U.S. government would not grant statehood to Utah as long as polygamy was being practiced. The Old Men of SLC saw the handwriting on the wall and had a very convenient “revelation” and sold a “doctrine” mandated by God down the river. So much for “unchangable” doctrine. As with the “revelation” about Blacks in the priesthood, the polygamy doctrine just got in the way of doing business, so it got dumped. All this was “explained” to the duped faithful by a lot of verbal tapdancing. Welcome to the wacky world of mormon “theology.”

 

[TheExorcist]

Considering all of this, I find it truly amazing that any Mormon would even try to make the claim that they are not polytheistic.

They don’t like it because it makes them feel like Old Testament heathens and puts them even farther out of the mainstream of Christianity

 

[Peter_John]

And the church ended up holding out for over 10 years after the civil rights act was passed before “receiving” the “revelation” on blacks and the Priesthood.

That only came after the Church built the Sao Paulo, Brazil temple. Not only had the Church grown tremendously with huge portions of the membership unable to fill leadership roles, thousands of members had contributed to building the temple who would not be able to enter the temple themselves. This left the individual members of the Council of Twelve with very humbled attitudes about it, according to their own accounts and those of others close to them.

Another aspect is that perhaps the strongest personal segregationist on the Council of twelve, Delbert L. Stapley, was on his deathbed by the time it passed. His personal letter (on official letterhead) trying to persuade George Romney to oppose integration (which he did not) has become something of an internet icon among anti-Mormon crowds. Stapley was hospitalized when the “revelation” on priesthood passed, and died within two months of it.

It was quite interesting when it happened because there was a press leak. We all heard about it on the news first instead of from our LDS leaders, which made it a bit more shocking.It was already shocking enough, as most speculative LDS literature on the topic suggested that it would not happen until after Christ’s return – though we all knew – all speculations to the contrary – that the Church had always said the Lord had not given a reason for the ban, or when it would be lifted.

 

[Jay53]

hello guys im a LDS member and i was reading some of your conversations about what we believe about Heavenly Mother. just to let you know we do know that she exists but we don’t know that much about her. also i read that some LDS members believe that God has multiple wives. just to let you know that has not been confirmed by the General Authorities of the LDS church. the only reason why we practiced polygamy in the early days of the LDS church is because we believe that in the premortal existence there was a war in heaven and Satan or Lucifer gathered 2/3 of the human family to join him. we dont know the exact number of thew ppl he gathered. so God banished them from heaven. but he would not let the females go with Satan. so as you can see many women were left without husbands. so that is why we use to practice polygamy. because we believe you cannot enter the kingdom of God without a spouse. but then we no longer practice polygamy because God revealed to the prophet at the time that thew world would not be able to understand it so we no longer practiced it from there on.
i would like to include that the reason that information hasn’t been revealed about our Heavenly Mother because God considers her to be his equal and he does not want her real name to be used in vain or that too would a unforgivable sin. feel free to ask more questions im happy to answer them.

(Emphasis mine)

I’d like to know where Jesus ever taught this??

 

[TheExorcist]

Another aspect is that perhaps the strongest personal segregationist on the Council of twelve, Delbert L. Stapley, was on his deathbed by the time it passed. His personal letter (on official letterhead) trying to persuade George Romney to oppose integration (which he did not) has become something of an internet icon among anti-Mormon crowds. Stapley was hospitalized when the “revelation” on priesthood passed, and died within two months of it

As you know Im still in the church for reasons largely beyond my control and this is the reason I tell my wife (actually I only told her this once and she had a low level freak out) that I hope Boyd K Packer passes before TSM. As bad as it is to have to stay in the church it would be immeasurably worse to have BKP as the top dog

 

[Peter_John]

hello guys im a LDS member and i was reading some of your conversations about what we believe about Heavenly Mother. just to let you know we do know that she exists but we don’t know that much about her. also i read that some LDS members believe that God has multiple wives. just to let you know that has not been confirmed by the General Authorities of the LDS church. the only reason why we practiced polygamy in the early days of the LDS church is because we believe that in the premortal existence there was a war in heaven and Satan or Lucifer gathered 2/3 of the human family to join him. we dont know the exact number of thew ppl he gathered. so God banished them from heaven. but he would not let the females go with Satan. so as you can see many women were left without husbands. so that is why we use to practice polygamy. because we believe you cannot enter the kingdom of God without a spouse. but then we no longer practice polygamy because God revealed to the prophet at the time that thew world would not be able to understand it so we no longer practiced it from there on.
i would like to include that the reason that information hasn’t been revealed about our Heavenly Mother because God considers her to be his equal and he does not want her real name to be used in vain or that too would a unforgivable sin. feel free to ask more questions im happy to answer them.

The passage I have highlighted is not LDS Doctrine, and never has been LDS doctrine. It is the same sort of speculative drivel as the idea that somehow Black people were less valiant in the pre-mortal fight against Satan – also not doctrine, and never was. Why not just specualte that more men followed the Adversary in the pre-existence? Same result, and just as much LDS scriptural support: None.

In fact, the idea in bold is counter-doctrinal. It is counter-doctrinal for at least two reasons. The first is the LDS doctrine of free-agency, and the affirmation that “God would not let the females go with Satan” implies he forced them to stay. Related to this is the idea that free-agency brings personal responsibility for choices, and this suggests that in pre-mortality God held men more accountable for their actions than women.

In LDS Scripture, the Book of Mormon specifically, the LDS God makes it clear that he despises polygamy, and that he will only command it be done when needed to make more babies – otherwise even Mormonism’s God does not want it done at all. That is the only doctrinal reason for justifying polygamy in Mormonism. It’s God’s way of solving a personnel shortage.

That is a bit off-topic, so back to that: Consider this perspective: Jesus is our Brother in Mormonism, right? Even though Jehovah, he must be sealed to mortal parents to follow the Celestial law, right? To whom is he sealed as his Mother?

 

[Peter_John]

That’s not true. The scriptures are REPLETE with references to worshipping Christ.

However they may read in LDS scripture, the LDS doctrine specifically teaches that members should only worship God the Father, and only pray to God the Father. The book “Prayer” which was published in the 1980s, formally promoted by the Church, with chapoters all written byt indicvidual general authorities is clear as regards to prayer.

In the places in LDS scripture that may appear to represent worshipping the Son, manuals and exposition explain it as Christ standing in as proxy for the Father, but adoration should not be directed at Christ himself, but at the Father whom he represents.Trying to figure it out is one of those things that can be so befuddling as a Mormon you just put it on a shelf and not think of it.