Least Favorite Songs at Mass

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Fr. Frank:
Actually, “Eagle’s Wings” was written by a priest. He was just a few years ahead of me in the Seminary.

I do not know if he is still active as a priest, though.

Sorry, but it is a Catholic composer.
Last I heard that Michael Joncas, the priest who wrote “Eagle Wings”, has spent almost a year dealing with a neurological disorder. I last read that he is doing much better although not totally recovered.
 
Edward Pelrine:
There are other songs which glorify the congregation at the expense of the God we come to worship:

“Gather Us In” by the Lutheran Marty Haugen, which glorifies the congregation, and denies such Catholic beliefs as the Communion of Saints, the eschatalogical nature of the Mass, the belief that we are partaking of the heavenly liturgy during the Mass.

“Sing a New Church into Being” How egotistical and self-centered. The Church Christ established is the one for me!

“All are welcome” We don’t need to build a new Church

All these songs are congregational, thus Protestant; none mentions the Trinity, the central belief of real Christians.

I could go on and on. I am a priest who has to listen to this drivel/heresy week after week. It is very discouraging.
I don’t get it, Father. Why do you have to listen to it? When a former organist at my parish tried to play holy hymns, she was ordered to return, as you stated, “drivel/hersey.” So, can’t you just request/order better music?

Micki
 
Doesn’t “All are Welcome” lgo "Let us build a house" not *“church” . * “House” would place the emphasis on the local church or even the building as opposed to the Church universal.
 
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pnewton:
Doesn’t “All are Welcome” lgo "Let us build a house" not *“church” . *“House” would place the emphasis on the local church or even the building as opposed to the Church universal.
Yeah. At my 16 year old parish, that song was used a lot when we had our ground breaking and dedication ceremonies. It tends to show up on the anniversary of the dedication (the parish patron saint’s feast day) and for events like confirmation when the emphasis is on youth.
 
I want to start by saying…AMEN! There are still people that sing at mass!! There are many in our parish who don’t even open a hymnal!
I have read all of your posts and am saddened that these hymns I love are taking a beating! I LOVE to sing. I especially LOVE to sing hymns. We have a Catholic hymnal. I trust that whatever is published is fair game at mass. Our parish is appropriate in singing the correct songs during the corresponding portion of the mass.
IMHO some of your posts are too critical. Praising, Rejoicing, Requesting, Thanking…those are all things we do when we pray…and as it was said earlier…Singing is praying TWICE!!!

I don’t have a particular LEAST favorite…just have a hard time singing when it is a new, unfamiliar hymn and there is no choir at the mass to lead!
~Weezir
 
Hello,

I don’t particularly care for the 2 songs you mentioned either. But my family’s least favorite is “Soon and Very Soon.” As soon as we hear it start, we struggle. With the drum pounding and the beat of the song trying to revv people up, it really does feel like a circus.
I have NOTHING against “charismatic” music. I love many of the new praise and worship songs (Lord, I LIft your name on High, for ex.) and who doesn’t love John Michael Talbot’s “Come and Worship the Lord?”
But music at Mass should be sacred music. I grow weary of the constant “circus music.” And it is particularly difficult when the music director chooses ONLY contemporary tunes. A few are nice, but the majority are “fluff” music. I believe that a responsible music director would at least select a variety so that everyone hears something they like at some time. Also, children should grow up hearing a variety. The children in our church rarely hear the older hymns - so very sad.
If there are any music directors out there reading this, please remember some of the beautiful, sacred music of the liturgy like:
  1. Panis Angelicus
  2. Gregorian chant
  3. Jesus, My Lord, My God, My All (such a beauty)
  4. Praise to the Lord
  5. Ave Maria
  6. Sing of Mary
  7. Hail, Holy Queen
  8. Immaculate Mary
  9. Bach’s "If Thou Art Near: (Bist Du Bei Mir)
  10. Alleluia! Sing to Jesus
    11.Lord, Who At Thy First Eucharist
  11. Holy God, We Praise Thy Name
  12. Sing Praise to Our Creator
  13. O Lord, I am Not Worthy
  14. Alleluia! Alleluia! Let the Holy Anthem Rise (people LOVED this when I played it at my church)
  15. Holy, Holy, Holy
  16. Beautiful Savior
  17. Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow
  18. Bach’s Jesus, Joy of Man’s Desiring (Jesus Bleibet Meine Freude)
  19. On This Day, O Beautiful Mother (brings tears to many eyes)
Have a good day everyone!
Margaret
 
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Weezir:
We have a Catholic hymnal. I trust that whatever is published is fair game at mass.
Weezir~
Glad you love to sing; we could use more like you 🙂

However, don’t assume that it’s Catholic just because it says so on the hymnal. Many of the companies who publish Catholic hymnals also publish Protestant hymnals, too. Many times, it’s the same hymnal, with a few changes and a different name on the front.
 
Remember the song, “Onward Christian Soliders?” I remember singing this when I was in grade school, only to be told by my older sister that we weren’t supposed to be singing it. I guess when she was in school, it was considered a Protestant song. I don’t remember the lyrics, but was wondering if anyone else heard about this. I know I haven’t heard it sung in church in years. TIA!
 
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Exalt:
For our mass, we have a rule: the songs we pick must be Scriptural and Singable!

I think that there are many different styles of worship, and the church is absolutely open to different styles of worship. We are reaching out to youth (and, I hope this isn’t news, but the youth have a completely different culture than yours) - so we adjust our worship style to meet the needs of the youth. Period.

And if the music doesn’t meet your needs, there are many other worship styles at other masses to accomodate you =)

I don’t like anything that does not invite the congregation to sing.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
There have been so many posts on this topic that I can’t possibly read them all, but this is the first one I came across that gets to the heart of it. Yes, I understand the reasons why some songs may seem inappropriate or questionable. However, as a professional church musician, I can tell you that many, many people’s opinions of what is good music for the Catholic Mass has more to do with personal preference than with anything else. I get very frustrated with people who tell me that there is only one style of music that is good, or meaningful, or worthy. I believe that, provided the words are not in opposition to Catholic doctrine, any song can be “worthy” of inclusion. One person’s experience may be enhanced only by traditional hymns; someone else may find that style meaningless, but be terrifically moved by a more “contemporary” style of music.

That said, I personally prefer a more traditional style, with one exception. I grew up in the 1980’s, when a lot of the songs that have come under fire here either were introduced or became popular. For that reason, a lot of them have meaning for me - not necessarily because I think the words are particularly inspiring, but because they are familiar and singable for me. I think that comes into play a lot more than we realize or want to admit when it comes to our musical choices/preferences.

A few more observations based on the quote I included - your point about reaching out to the youth is VERY important. I know SO many teens who are bored with Mass, and who would leave for a Protestant contemporary worship service if they could. It is irresponsible of any parish to ignore this desire on their part. The church has always endorsed the adaptation (within limits, of course) of the liturgy to meet the needs of the culture it functions within. Yes, there are things that should not change - many of them. But style of music is one of the adaptable things.

Also, I definitely agree with the comment about singability. Congregational singing is an area of great embarrassment to me. My husband is not Catholic, and in my limited experience of non-Catholic churches, they are so much better at participation! Which absolutely stumps me, since the Catholic population is not somehow inherently less musically able than the Protestant population!

My last comment, I promise - what’s wrong with including Protestant hymns, as long as they do not contradict Catholic doctrine? Sounds like a prejudice to me…

I hope I am not being offensive here, because I don’t mean to be. I’m NOT denying that traditional hymns are wonderful and should continue to thrive at Mass! But, as a professional musician (church musician/music teacher/aspiring opera singer, who holds an MM degree), this is a topic which touches me deeply! Thanks for listening to my rant! 🙂
 
“My last comment, I promise - what’s wrong with including Protestant hymns, as long as they do not contradict Catholic doctrine? Sounds like a prejudice to me…”
Probably because so many of them do contradict Catholic doctrine. “We Gather Together” comes to mind. The second verse is terrible: We greet Our Lord present within the assembly,
We hear the good news proclaimed clearly to all,
The priest is presiding, with Christ we are abiding… Our Lord being present within the assembly is clearly a protestant teaching to contradict His presence in the Eucharist. Our priest doesn’t preside, he offers sacrifice which the protestants don’t believe in. The other posts went into other songs that contradict Catholic teachings. Plus have you ever heard distinctively Catholic songs in a Prostentant church…Ave Marie, O Sacrament Most Holy…??? Then why do we have to use their songs. We have zillions of hymns that haven’t seen the light of day because we’re too busy singing songs! How could people not relate to them when they haven’t been sung in more than 20years? They might like them if we could hear them sung once in awhile. Just my 2 cents 🙂
 
Super Mom:
“We Gather Together” comes to mind. The second verse is terrible: We greet Our Lord present within the assembly,
We hear the good news proclaimed clearly to all,
The priest is presiding, with Christ we are abiding… Our Lord being present within the assembly is clearly a protestant teaching to contradict His presence in the Eucharist. Our priest doesn’t preside, he offers sacrifice which the protestants don’t believe in.
But God is with us. “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” This fact does not contradict his most substantial presence in the Eucharist.

The priest is also refered to as the presider.
 
Super Mom said:
“We Gather Together” comes to mind. The second verse is terrible: We greet Our Lord present within the assembly,
We hear the good news proclaimed clearly to all,
The priest is presiding, with Christ we are abiding… Our Lord being present within the assembly is clearly a protestant teaching to contradict His presence in the Eucharist. Our priest doesn’t preside, he offers sacrifice which the protestants don’t believe in. The other posts went into other songs that contradict Catholic teachings. Plus have you ever heard distinctively Catholic songs in a Prostentant church…Ave Marie, O Sacrament Most Holy…??? Then why do we have to use their songs. We have zillions of hymns that haven’t seen the light of day because we’re too busy singing songs! How could people not relate to them when they haven’t been sung in more than 20years? They might like them if we could hear them sung once in awhile. Just my 2 cents 🙂

If it is a Protestant attempt to contradict the True Presence, it would never have occurred to me to think so in the context of Mass. All I’m saying is that we don’t have to throw out a song just because its origin isn’t Catholic.

Also, I actually have heard Ave Maria sung in non-Catholic churches (on more than one occasion), though I don’t go to them regularly so I really can’t judge on any other songs. We don’t HAVE to use Protestant songs, but some are good. Similarly, I have no objection to singing “traditionally Catholic” songs. Personally, I’d love to sing Palestrina at every Mass. Unfortunately, not very many Catholics are willing to make the commitment to the choir, so there are rarely enough people to do the “classics” - at least in every parish I’ve ever worked in. 😦

When I was a parish music director, I tried to include at least one “traditional” hymn at every Mass.
 
I cannot stand “Let There Be Peace on Earth”. Ridiculous. It’s a pop song! I’m pretty sure there isn’t even a mention of a deity in the lyrics.

Also (ducks and covers because so many people love this one), “On Eagles’ Wings.” Can’t stand it. Have already submitted a request to the music director that if I pass away before he does, NOT to play this at the funeral. He agreed rather quickly.

And I don’t know if it’s because I have bad memories from grade school May crownings, but “Immaculate Mary” grates on my nerves. “Hail Holy Queen” and “Ave Maria” get the job done just as well and much more gracefully, IMO.

Someone else mentioned Palestrina and a wish to sing his work at every Mass. I wholeheartedly agree. The music is transcendent. Otherwise, my favorite “common” hymn is “O Come O Come Emmanuel”. It’s so simple and beautiful, and full of hope.
 
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lacoloratura:
If it is a Protestant attempt to contradict the True Presence, it would never have occurred to me to think so in the context of Mass. All I’m saying is that we don’t have to throw out a song just because its origin isn’t Catholic.

Also, I actually have heard Ave Maria sung in non-Catholic churches (on more than one occasion), though I don’t go to them regularly so I really can’t judge on any other songs. We don’t HAVE to use Protestant songs, but some are good. Similarly, I have no objection to singing “traditionally Catholic” songs. Personally, I’d love to sing Palestrina at every Mass. Unfortunately, not very many Catholics are willing to make the commitment to the choir, so there are rarely enough people to do the “classics” - at least in every parish I’ve ever worked in. 😦

When I was a parish music director, I tried to include at least one “traditional” hymn at every Mass.
My experience with different churches is that the music dir. can’t get enough of the contempory music. Rarely will I hear a traditional hymn. I’m encouraged by your saying that you include at least one traditional hymn in every mass. I hope there are more music dir. like you but I haven’t run into them. I have nothing against using protestant songs that DON’T contirdict Catholic teachings but many do and they are used.
The worst times are at Advent. The missal is full of beautiful Advent hymes but are never played. Such a shame. Many people don’t know what hymns are because they are never played. The music dir. will say “well, young people don’t like that kind of music”., but the young people haven’t heard it to dislike it. It’s very frustrating. I always felt that we should give the best, the cream of the crop to God, whether it was in having gold chalaces or art work or music. God deserves the best music that we can put together. If we as Catholics know the truth, possess the truth then why don’t we reflect that by our conduct, music and worship???
 
the songs I hate are kiddy songs during Sunday Mass, especially the early “old-timers” Mass. I love to sign Shine Jesus Shine and Awesome God during CCD, at kids retreats, VBS, but could we please have a little Latin during Mass for my generation. Choir sang Panis Angelicus during First Communion Mass (I didn’t even have to ask for it, I nearly cried it was so lovely)
 
I almost forgot, remember Paul Stukeys Wedding Song which was mandatory for all those married at a nuptial mass in the 70s
 
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DJJG:
I dont like it when they change the words of the songs to make them “politically correct” or to use “inclusive language.” Both of htese usually end up changing to original meaning on the song.:nope:
This is my music pet peeve too. Especially with Christmas carols.
I think that music should be liturgically correct and sung at the appropriate times.
 
Fr. Frank:
Thanks. Guess I got that one wrong 😉 .

Anyone have a source for Bach’s piece described? I’d love to listen, if it is in English especially.
Don’t know if anyone else has already responded (there are so many posts, I didn’t know if I’d ever find this one again!), but any recording with John Eliot Gardiner directing is generally great. Sir Neville Marriner and the Academy of St.-Martin-in-the-Fields is also very good. I’d expect them to be in the original language, though.
 
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DJJG:
I dont like it when they change the words of the songs to make them “politically correct” or to use “inclusive language.” Both of htese usually end up changing to original meaning on the song.:nope:
Ya know, I never noticed this until I was at Mass last week, and they really had to do some gymnastics with the lyrics to eliminate all the “he” and “him” and “man” references in the responsorial psalm. It was very different than what was listed in our missalette. It was supposed to be something like “Happy is he who trusts in the Lord,” and they changed it to “Happy are they who trust in God.” I guess “the Lord” was too gender-specific, too. The cantor only sang two verses of the psalm - go figure! :rolleyes:
 
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