Leave or stay: Religious Decisions

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… ok. Not really sure how to respond to be honest. The reason why I continue to go to mass and pray when I think it’s probably not an accurate depiction of what the spiritual life should be is because I’ve made the conscious decision to be open to my chosen faith because I hope it’s true in some sense.
 
I’m in the process of reading Three Ages of the Interior Life by Garrigou-Lagrange, and it’s given me a more “hands-on” feel for my relationship with God. You might like it if you run in intellectual circles. A lot less “how to stay out of hell” and more “how to get to heaven without spending time in purgatory.”
 
Since I don’t believe, it’s time to collect myself and move on. As a priest said to me, “I want you to actually believe, not pretend to believe. The second distorts the intellect and helps nothing.”
Why would you move on just because you don’t feel belief right now? I felt nothing. nothing. in my faith for a long time. But it’s not about me. What, afterall, does it mean to walk by faith?? We would not have saints like St. John of the Cross or St. Mother Teresa if they left the church when they didn’t sense their own belief anymore. Belief is something you do, not something you feel. I hope you’ll reconsider. And besides, isn’t the sense of self & feeling of home you mention worth something?
 
Part of why I am a universalist is that I just can’t see how anything I’ve ever done could impress God in the least. If anyone enters heaven at all it’s because He has a completely fatherly attitude towards us.
Yes, God loves us as parents love their children.

The reason I am not a universalist is that I do not believe that God would override our decision to reject Him. I do not know where the line is drawn between going to Heaven or to Hell, and there are a lot of non- and non-practicing Catholics whom I hope are on the correct side of the line, but I cannot imagine if a person really and truly rejected God that God would say, well, I guess I will just have to take you over and force you to love me enough to get into Heaven.

We can hope for the salvation of each individual. St Therese of Lisieux prayed for the murderer Prozini’s conversion and he converted at the gallows.

But to believe that God would override someone’s free will seems far worse than to believe that He allows those who reject Him to live without Him for eternity.
 
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Put simply my disagreements with the faith are on two points: 1.I believe that all will be reconciled with God in the end (no eternal damnation). 2. After practicing Catholicism with genuine devotion and belief, I am no holier (I.e. Catholicism doesn’t seem to work).
I’ll probably join the Orthodox Church in the end
There’s horrible evil in this world; what makes you think there’s no evil in the spiritual world beyond the grave? As for holiness, one has to understand that sanctity is about unmasking, uprooting and removing everything from your heart that separates you from God and neighbor. Holiness is about transformation of heart. Don’t confuse religiosity with holiness, as the Pharisees in the gospels did. Thus the emptying of one’s old self allows the love, goodness and truth of God to shine through you and become an instrument of God’s grace to shine in this dark world trough you, among the people and circumstances you encounter in life—-and that way become one of those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead. Here are two short audio talks that will help surely put you on the tight track and help you make spiritual progress:
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No offence, but Catholicism is not the right way because they twist verses in the Bible to suit their misdeeds. Most churches are interested in numbers because they want people to stay. If the truth is revealed, the members won’t stay.
Let me tell you, reciting the rosary , Lord’s prayer in this day is sinful because their foundations are not Biblical. If interested, I can explain. Moreover, the act of infant baptism is not Biblical either.
I recommend joining a church of no denomination if you really want to be with God.
Greetings and welcome to CAF
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I think i will just watch this time. Although i may need more coffee!

Peace!!!
 
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IMO practicing the faith has definitely made you holier because I don’t think you would be asking these questions otherwise, especially the idea that you haven’t become any holier.

I mean, when a person has really been taken over by egoism and such, they never say things like that. They’re convinced of their own righteousness in every way.

Peace.
 
Let me tell you, reciting the rosary , Lord’s prayer in this day is sinful because their foundations are not Biblical. If interested, I can explain. Moreover, the act of infant baptism is not Biblical either.
I’m a lifelong Roman Catholic who has been attending a Byzantine Catholic Church for several years and is now on my way to Orthodoxy and I must say these comments are something else.

Using the Bible and the Bible alone, where does the Bible teach the Bible alone?

ZP
 
Baptism is for those who have repented of their sins(Acts 2:38).
Baptism is where we are born again by water and Spirit.

Anyway, again I ask, where in the Bible and the Bible alone, does the Bible teach the Bible alone?

ZP
 
My aim with that statement was not to define baptism but rather to show baptism requires repentance.
Sure, for adults. What about when St Paul baptized a household (οἶκον). In Greek, οἶκον, used in 1 Corinthians 1:16, denotes all the persons forming one family. Would this not include infants or are they not part of a family?
" All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work " (II Timothy 3:16-17).
We in the apostolic Churches do not interpret these verses the same way. The verse must be understood in its context. Start with verse 10, “Now you have observed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness,”

St Paul is writing to St Timothy to remind him from who he learned. First, St Paul himself (Tradition) and second, his Jewish Christian mother whom he learned the faith. What Scriptures do you suppose St Paul is referring to, the New Testament? The whole of the NT was not even written yet. St Paul is referring to the OT. Are you saying that the Old Testament and the Old Testament alone is sufficient?

ZP
 
Those who preach infant baptism try to use “household” as their means of justification.
I’ll go with the early Christians on this matter along with almost 2000 years of baptizing infants 😉
Scripture is the written word of God.
Amen! No disagreement here.
Paul says “but as for you, continue in what you have learned and become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it”(2 Timothy 3:14)
Yup, Tradition!
which would later become part of the New Testament.
Sure, but to say that the Bible and the Bible alone is sufficient? Do imagine the early Christians walked around with copies of the KJV and were preaching from the pulpit? What about Christian communities that did not have any copies of the Scripture? I guess to bad so sad for them?

How does one determine what books belong in the New Testament?

ZP
 
I prayed about it as well and got a similar response. He didn’t tell me to convert or not convert. Totally left the choice to me. So when that happens, we must use the intellect and reasoning he gave us and make the decision.

You have your doubts and you have your reasons for them. Look at the arguments from both sides. Learn about a faith tradition from it’s friends, not just it’s enemies. When you do that with the RCC, you will find logical explanations to your questions.

You can get close to Christ just by reading the Word in your own living room. You don’t even need a Church for that. But, you experience Him in so many ways in the Catholic Church. You are basically immersed in Him through the Communion of Saints(Acts 9:4) which you wont find (not completely, anyway) outside the ancient Churches, through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass which is saturated in sacred scripture and of course through the Eucharist.

I used to think the RCC was extremely superfluous and full of hocus pocus…until i really let my guard down and started learning why things are done the way they are done and why the Church teaches what she teaches. Then you will see the beauty therein .
 
Close personal observation? When I attended an Orthodox Church before I was catholic I seemed to sin less and pray more.
With regards to this, you might just be seeking Eastern Spirituality. Eastern Catholics can provide that IN the Church, and you would not be required to formally transfer to Eastern Catholic Church or leave Latin Church and Mass, or anything. If Church is your home and you want it to stay that way, this could be great way to change spirituality while not changing home itself.

Anyway, with regard to Hell… God gave us free will and if there was no option to choose Hell (eternal damnation based on rejection to be with God) then there would be no freedom. Souls choose Hell because of anger towards God, lack of love and because they were too damaged in life. Souls operate differently than minds- after death, they choose once and they have fixed will - they can not change their choice, ever. If you judge Souls and Afterlife from viewpoint of your mind, you won’t get far.
 
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However, the Bible never refers to Mary as the “Mother of God.” The phrase contains implications which are not proper. It elevates Mary to a position potentially above Jesus.
No, it doesn’t. Mary’s title, “Mother of God” is literally a statement about Jesus, namely that He is God. She is the Theotokos, the God-bearer, not simply the Christ-bearer. In rejecting this ancient title of hers, one also, by implication, rejects Christ’s divinity.

I suggest reading up on the early Christian council of Ephesus, where the Church affirmed this title because the concept was being challenged by Nestorius. He also was offended by the notion that Mary was the Mother of God, because he believed she only gave birth to Christ’s human nature. The council rejected Nestorius’ beliefs, and affirmed Mary as the Mother of God, who gave birth to both the divine and human natures hypostatically united in the one person of Christ.

Thus, Mary’s title as Mother of God does not elevate her above God or make her equal to God, it affirms a truth about Jesus Christ. Mary points us to her son, always.
 
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Why do you assume Mary could only know our thoughts if she were a deity? That’s rather a large leap. Couldn’t it also be that if she hears our prayers and petitions, either aloud or by thought, it’s only by power granted to her by God? Don’t you think God would have the power to do that? And if He does have the power to do that, what makes you so certain He doesn’t grant that ability whenever someone asks for Mary’s or another saint’s intercession?

Also, the fact that you would dismiss and boil my points (they’re not even really my points, as this was all hammered out far before I existed) about Mary being the Mother of God down to “faulty reasoning” without even bothering to take the time to look at historical sources and open your mind to another viewpoint, even if you ultimately still don’t agree with it is…well, sad. You’re missing out on so many rich sources of insight and teaching from early Christians.

No, the term “Mother of God” is not listed, black and white, in scripture, but neither is the term “Trinity”. You believe in that as a Christian, don’t you? That was also a term coined later at the early Christological councils in response to teachings that were being challenged by heretics. And yet, while that word is found nowhere in scripture, the teachings in support of it are.

What’s really extra-biblical here is the belief in scripture alone. Nowhere in the bible can you actually find that term, ‘Bible alone,’ or even the teaching that we should guide ourselves by the Bible alone. The New Testament didn’t even exist in written form for quite a while after Christ finished His mission here on Earth. The apostles and Christ’s followers handed on their teachings orally, just as Christ did. 2 Thessalonians 2:15: “Therefore, brothers and sisters, hold fast to your traditions, whether by word of mouth or by letter.”

It certainly doesn’t seem as if scripture supports the Bible alone philosophy. But I doubt I’m going to convince you anyway, so I’ll bow out before we derail the OP’s thread any further.
 
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Mary was only blessed to have been chosen to bear Son of God. But that doesn’t give her any special status.
Special status? “For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed” Luke 1:48

Mary certainly seemed to have a self-understood special status. Of who else in Bible is it said that all generations would be called blessed?

Being of the Byzantine rite, I can’t speak for the Latin rite, but anytime we speak of Mary, no matter how highly we exalt her, it’s in connection to her role as Jesus’ mother. This to emphasize His divinity is joined with the humanity he inherited from His mother. When Mary is depicted in our iconography, she is always depicted with her Son. Mary is of such great importance precisely because of her role as God’s mother.
 
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