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No, he sold the house in the 80’s. I think that’s the time he got rid of all of his occult doings and heroin.
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gurneyhalleck1
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Amazing how different tastes can be. I think everything before Barrett left was pure garbage. A bunch of drugged-out nonsensical hodge-podge and corney 60’s acid sounds meandering and sounding like a pure drug trip…
When Roger Waters really took over, though their themes were dark and ironically mostly about Barrett himself, the songs took on a classic, coherent, powerful, epic tone. I love Pink Floyd from Dark Side of the Moon through the Wall. Anything before or after…junk IMO
When Roger Waters really took over, though their themes were dark and ironically mostly about Barrett himself, the songs took on a classic, coherent, powerful, epic tone. I love Pink Floyd from Dark Side of the Moon through the Wall. Anything before or after…junk IMO
Pink Floyd without Syd Barrett isn’t Pink Floyd. Everything after “Piper” was downhill.
Oh, and the greatest of all time: Oasis. And Beady Eye is the new Wings.
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Mystic_Banana
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Got to say, I’ve never been especially offended by Zep - bit of a tut about “houses of the holy”, rolling eyes at Stairway to heavens insinuated paganism are easily assuaged Catholic prissyness-wise by a contented smile about the fairly Christian blues thing they used to do (please Lord don’t you make it my dying day), and the Tolkien references, for that matter…
On the other hand, I felt far more violently betrayed by the Floyd (who I’d previously seen as being at the affable end of atheism, or perhaps agnosticism) when I figured out a) how contempt ridden Time (reprise) is about religion, that b) high hopes is violently antireligious and c) this is only really obvious on live concerts they performed in the mid 90’s, or (more accessibly) Dave Gilmores mid noughties solo tour, where the 2 songs are combined in what is doubtless a very deliberate attempt at making a a bit of consciously antireligious preaching the high point of gigs (although how *anything * from the division bell can be seen as a high point at a PF gig is anyone’s guess
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Mystic_Banana
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For the record, I think the Syd stuff ranks with the best, followed by everything until the most overrated LP outside the Eagles, DSOTM, which suffers just a tad by having rubbish stuff all the way from GGITS until ACYL turns up! WYWH was a brief return of genius, and probably their most consistently quality album other than Pipers (or Relics, I suppose), but after that, it was heads down into AOR (except comfortably numb. Gotta love comfortably numb!)
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gurneyhalleck1
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I love all the 70’s Floyd stuff into the very early 80’s. I like Roger Waters’ stuff. As a teacher, I can appreciate his frustration with the fact that, growing up, all education does a lot of the time is talk about adulthood and the future and college and down the road and never focuses on the NOW and the joy of childhood, the moment, each step of the journey being fun and adventurous. Waters had a horrible experience in education, SO DID I!! That’s why I became a teacher. Ironically I work with the same jerk teacher that gave me my sixth grade year the worst year in my childhood. He was the most oppressive dictator phony in my educational history and I ended up working with him. Incidentally he hates me more as an adult than as a kid! 
So I can understand Waters to some degree. Floyd had a theme of appreciating the simple things, appreciating the now, not looking for fame and glory, friendship, and the ease with which we can fall into darkness. I think they dwelled too much on the darkness and not enough on the light personally.
So I can understand Waters to some degree. Floyd had a theme of appreciating the simple things, appreciating the now, not looking for fame and glory, friendship, and the ease with which we can fall into darkness. I think they dwelled too much on the darkness and not enough on the light personally.
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gurneyhalleck1
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I assume you’re referencing this…are you sure it’s atheistic?
Far away across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells
Far away across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells
Got to say, I’ve never been especially offended by Zep - bit of a tut about “houses of the holy”, rolling eyes at Stairway to heavens insinuated paganism are easily assuaged Catholic prissyness-wise by a contented smile about the fairly Christian blues thing they used to do (please Lord don’t you make it my dying day), and the Tolkien references, for that matter…
On the other hand, I felt far more violently betrayed by the Floyd (who I’d previously seen as being at the affable end of atheism, or perhaps agnosticism) when I figured out a) how contempt ridden Time (reprise) is about religion, that b) high hopes is violently antireligious and c) this is only really obvious on live concerts they performed in the mid 90’s, or (more accessibly) Dave Gilmores mid noughties solo tour, where the 2 songs are combined in what is doubtless a very deliberate attempt at making a a bit of consciously antireligious preaching the high point of gigs (although how *anything * from the division bell can be seen as a high point at a PF gig is anyone’s guess
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gurneyhalleck1
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The Division Bell was never my thing. When Roger Waters was done, I think PF stunk. “High Hopes” doesn’t seem atheist to me or perhaps I’m just not a perceptive chap!? 
Got to say, I’ve never been especially offended by Zep - bit of a tut about “houses of the holy”, rolling eyes at Stairway to heavens insinuated paganism are easily assuaged Catholic prissyness-wise by a contented smile about the fairly Christian blues thing they used to do (please Lord don’t you make it my dying day), and the Tolkien references, for that matter…
On the other hand, I felt far more violently betrayed by the Floyd (who I’d previously seen as being at the affable end of atheism, or perhaps agnosticism) when I figured out a) how contempt ridden Time (reprise) is about religion, that b) high hopes is violently antireligious and c) this is only really obvious on live concerts they performed in the mid 90’s, or (more accessibly) Dave Gilmores mid noughties solo tour, where the 2 songs are combined in what is doubtless a very deliberate attempt at making a a bit of consciously antireligious preaching the high point of gigs (although how *anything * from the division bell can be seen as a high point at a PF gig is anyone’s guess
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Mystic_Banana
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To be honest, High Hopes could just as easily express my feelings regarding materialist society, dragging us away from spiritual growth “tiny cratures, dragging us to the ground” - but in concert, the division bell sounds to signify “the tolling of the Iron bell”, then goes into High hopes, just in case you don’t get it;s reference to religion (as did I! Not that I bothered with the division bell for about a decade and a half…)The Division Bell was never my thing. When Roger Waters was done, I think PF stunk. “High Hopes” doesn’t seem atheist to me or perhaps I’m just not a perceptive chap!?
Final cuts a bit naff, surely? Thing is, Waters has the spirit and the passion, but musically, he’s a damp squib. Gilmour/Wrighjt are *all *music, but conversely, have little direction. It’s one of those perfect bands where the sum is far greater than the parts
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gurneyhalleck1
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I never saw Waters as a damp squib (as an American, I’m hoping I know what a damp squib even is! )…I think he was and is very talented across the board. But my criticism of him is that he’s not at all multi-dimensional. He’s very much a social critic and negative in his music. It’s either about insanity, feeling lost, being rejected, not fitting in, or being brainwashed. It’s all a bit of a downer.
Conversely, “Yes” was always a progressive band that was hopeful, optimistic, full of inspiring ‘images’ in their music, and multi-dimensional. Nothing sounded the same.
I get a little burned out on the negativity social criticism stuff. That eventually happened with me listening to “Rush.” I was a tremendous “Rush” fan in high school and college. When I listened to stuff like “Subdivisions” and how you have to “conform or be cast out” it struck a chord. I liked their music, their sound, their talent, and the lyrics.
BUT…when I realized how much Ayn Rand and Objectivism was laced throughout their songs and in Neil Peart’s beliefs, it was a turn-off. I suspect this is how you felt about Floyd…
I like bands like the Police, Yes, Toto, Fleetwood Mac, ELO, Steely Dan that sing about a wide range of topics and use different sounds and go through different phases. Bands like AC/DC are so blasted repetitive and predictable, cliche, etc…
)…I think he was and is very talented across the board. But my criticism of him is that he’s not at all multi-dimensional. He’s very much a social critic and negative in his music. It’s either about insanity, feeling lost, being rejected, not fitting in, or being brainwashed. It’s all a bit of a downer.Conversely, “Yes” was always a progressive band that was hopeful, optimistic, full of inspiring ‘images’ in their music, and multi-dimensional. Nothing sounded the same.
I get a little burned out on the negativity social criticism stuff. That eventually happened with me listening to “Rush.” I was a tremendous “Rush” fan in high school and college. When I listened to stuff like “Subdivisions” and how you have to “conform or be cast out” it struck a chord. I liked their music, their sound, their talent, and the lyrics.
BUT…when I realized how much Ayn Rand and Objectivism was laced throughout their songs and in Neil Peart’s beliefs, it was a turn-off. I suspect this is how you felt about Floyd…
I like bands like the Police, Yes, Toto, Fleetwood Mac, ELO, Steely Dan that sing about a wide range of topics and use different sounds and go through different phases. Bands like AC/DC are so blasted repetitive and predictable, cliche, etc…
To be honest, High Hopes could just as easily express my feelings regarding materialist society, dragging us away from spiritual growth “tiny cratures, dragging us to the ground” - but in concert, the division bell sounds to signify “the tolling of the Iron bell”, then goes into High hopes, just in case you don’t get it;s reference to religion (as did I! Not that I bothered with the division bell for about a decade and a half…)
Final cuts a bit naff, surely? Thing is, Waters has the spirit and the passion, but musically, he’s a damp squib. Gilmour/Wrighjt are *all *music, but conversely, have little direction. It’s one of those perfect bands where the sum is far greater than the parts
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Mystic_Banana
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Rush’s uber right wing stance is pretty dodgy - objectivism is a freakily inhumane ideology, from how I read it. I’ve been reading some fantasy series by a guy called Terry Goodkind, and it starts of seeming all affable, liberal, wishy washily Christian, then halfway through the main guy suddenly has to become an absolutely obeyed dictator to save the world (!). Not long after, the bad guys start being fleshed out as some kind of Catholic/Communist hybrid, and what appeared to be a genially Christian outlook became more obviously atheistic… which is largely a relief, as the main character, all cosiness with other prominent characters, nonetheless spends an increasing amount of time acting like a fascist dictator at the slightest pretext - atheistic objectivism is welcome to him!I never saw Waters as a damp squib (as an American, I’m hoping I know what a damp squib even is!
Conversely, “Yes” was always a progressive band that was hopeful, optimistic, full of inspiring ‘images’ in their music, and multi-dimensional. Nothing sounded the same.
I get a little burned out on the negativity social criticism stuff. That eventually happened with me listening to “Rush.” I was a tremendous “Rush” fan in high school and college. When I listened to stuff like “Subdivisions” and how you have to “conform or be cast out” it struck a chord. I liked their music, their sound, their talent, and the lyrics.
BUT…when I realized how much Ayn Rand and Objectivism was laced throughout their songs and in Neil Peart’s beliefs, it was a turn-off. I suspect this is how you felt about Floyd…
I like bands like the Police, Yes, Toto, Fleetwood Mac, ELO, Steely Dan that sing about a wide range of topics and use different sounds and go through different phases. Bands like AC/DC are so blasted repetitive and predictable, cliche, etc…
Mind you, I think it’s at the root of TV show 24 as well!
Er, am I moving too far off topic?
Yes are great, or at least during their heyday…
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gurneyhalleck1
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Well if objectivism would’ve been on just one album or one tune, I probably would’ve been ok with Rush. But it’s not. It’s on their early albums into their 1980’s albums on plenty of tunes! And sadly one of their best and yet WORST songs is “Freewill.” It’s a scathing indictment of a faith in God, a total glorification of atheism and skepticism…
youtube.com/watch?v=6mEzgc_ne60
youtube.com/watch?v=6mEzgc_ne60
Rush’s uber right wing stance is pretty dodgy - objectivism is a freakily inhumane ideology, from how I read it. I’ve been reading some fantasy series by a guy called Terry Goodkind, and it starts of seeming all affable, liberal, wishy washily Christian, then halfway through the main guy suddenly has to become an absolutely obeyed dictator to save the world (!). Not long after, the bad guys start being fleshed out as some kind of Catholic/Communist hybrid, and what appeared to be a genially Christian outlook became more obviously atheistic… which is largely a relief, as the main character, all cosiness with other prominent characters, nonetheless spends an increasing amount of time acting like a fascist dictator at the slightest pretext - atheistic objectivism is welcome to him!
Mind you, I think it’s at the root of TV show 24 as well!
Er, am I moving too far off topic?
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Mystic_Banana
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yup, this kind of stuff crops up left right and centre… handily, I’ve never bothered very much with Rush - I’ve got 2112, and I like the concept side, but the other side is a bit AOR for me, so I never bothered going much further… my disillusionment with the Floyd was far more painful!
How’s about Black Sabbath? Oddly, their 1st 3 LPs are about as pro-theist as mainstream rock gets, but that takes a massive nosedive (into cocaine) into antitheism for their 4th! Luckily, the music does the same, leaving the reasonably pro-God stuff with most of their classic legacy… despite their name!
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gurneyhalleck1
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Well Sabbath pretty much made their views known with the cover of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath with a 666 on the bedpost and I need not say what is happening in the picture!
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ChadS
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Despite the album cover that’s a fantastic album along with their first Black Sabbath. I’m not the only to say that they helped to define a genre and any metal band worth their salt cites Sabbath as one of their influences.Well Sabbath pretty much made their views known with the cover of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath with a 666 on the bedpost and I need not say what is happening in the picture!
One really cool thing I remember with Ozzy is I was listening to the Howard Stern show on the radio and he had both Ozzy and Paul McCartney scheduled for the same day. Ozzy asked if he could stay around long enough to meet Paul McCartney and Paul agreed. Ozzy was very nervous and when he met Paul he shook his hand and called him sir and said that if it wasn’t for the Beatles there never would’ve been a Black Sabbath.
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kmaaj
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FWIW, Alex Lifeson is a cradle Serbian Orthodox…
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gurneyhalleck1
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Hey, if you can give me a reason to listen to Iron Maiden, Ozzy, and Sabbath, dude, give it to me! I LOVE THOSE BANDS! I’m a guitarist and treasure those songs. BUT…when you have 666 on the bedpost and some demons are doing, well, you know, on there, that’s just tough for me to justify!
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gurneyhalleck1
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He may be Serbian Orthodox, but shoot, that guy went around playing atheistic Ayn Rand tunes for 40 years. He needs plenty of penance!
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ChadS
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I’ve never been one to get hung up on the lyrics or worry about some of the imagery these bands have put out there. I think Maiden’s Eddie is just pure genius as a marketing tool, “Powerslave” has to be one of my favorite album covers every.Hey, if you can give me a reason to listen to Iron Maiden, Ozzy, and Sabbath, dude, give it to me! I LOVE THOSE BANDS! I’m a guitarist and treasure those songs. BUT…when you have 666 on the bedpost and some demons are doing, well, you know, on there, that’s just tough for me to justify!
If you need a reason to listen to Ozzy or Sabbath I suppose you could comfort yourself with the fact that the guy who sang Iron Man and Crazy Train is now doing commercials with Justin Bieber.
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gurneyhalleck1
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LOL! I guess I have a guilty conscience. I wanted to buy a Dio album because I love the tunes “Rainbow in the Dark” and “holy diver” etc. When I saw the Catholic priest getting ripped to shreads by Satan, kind of informed my choice…
I’ve never been one to get hung up on the lyrics or worry about some of the imagery these bands have put out there. I think Maiden’s Eddie is just pure genius as a marketing tool, “Powerslave” has to be one of my favorite album covers every.
If you need a reason to listen to Ozzy or Sabbath I suppose you could comfort yourself with the fact that the guy who sang Iron Man and Crazy Train is now doing commercials with Justin Bieber.
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gurneyhalleck1
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On the contrary, Chad. this only affirms his diabolical nature that he would associate with that little punk LOL!
I suppose you could comfort yourself with the fact that the guy who sang Iron Man and Crazy Train is now doing commercials with Justin Bieber.
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