That is not what the Mormon Church says - that is Zerinus’s opinion. As a Mormon, I challenge Zerinus to show me where in modern day revelation it says where “Sinning against the Holy Ghost” can be determined by a mortal on earth. Mormon doctrine teaches us not to judge, and I’m sorry Zerinus, but I think you’re wrong on this one. Christ is our judge, and He has taught us to forgive even the sinner.Zerinus is echoing what the mormon church says. Apostates will burn in hell according to lds beliefs. Unless they changed them…again.
Many Mormons won’t answer because they flat out don’t know. Some on the other hand think they have all the answers. I think the bob and weave is pretty common when it comes to regular christianity.I agree, but why is it that many of the Mormons here when asked a question they just avoid it if they can’t answer it? or get defensive? I think ALL of us should be patient and kind even if we disagree. When it comes down to it we are all just trying to learn from each other. :hug1:
Maybe you should look at post 52 it speaks for itself on mormon attitude here
The gospel is something that needs to be preached. It is not the gospel if it is not preached. This is the commandment that the Lord gave to His ancient disciples:So if you want to live and let live, stop trying to convert other Christians. Then we’ll no longer have to defend ourselves against your attacks.
Then let’s understand each other. I don’t want to see LDS come to this board and start crying because we defend ourselves against the attacks of an apostate group like the Mormons. We who belong to the ancient Christian Church do not feel inclined to accept attacks from those who claim to speak in the name of God while denying Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist and denying the authority of the Church Christ founded when he was on the earth. We are not about to accept scriptures like the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham which have been convincingly shown to be modern day forgeries. Nor are we going to stand by while you make claims about multiple gods when the Bible makes it clear there is only one God. I’m willing to let Mormons be Mormons, but not when you go out of your way to attack the Catholic faith. This attack on the Catholic faith is a regular feature of Mormon meetings which I have attended, not simply an isolated occurrence. I haven’t heard Mormonism mentioned once during a mass. I hardly even hear Protestantism mentioned except in a positive way in which Protestants are referred to as our separated brethren. The entire Mormon missionary message is anti-Catholic.As you can see, the list is quite lengthy (and I don’t think I have found all of them); but I have given you this long list so that you can appreciate the importance the Lord has attached to preaching the gospel in the latter days. We preach the gospel because the Lord has commanded us to do it, and we must obey.
zerinus
Sure I can. Here is one reference I had previously given:That is not what the Mormon Church says - that is Zerinus’s opinion. As a Mormon, I challenge Zerinus to show me where in modern day revelation it says where “Sinning against the Holy Ghost” can be determined by a mortal on earth.
I think you are mistaken. LDS doctrine teaches that we should not judge unrighteously, or with an unrighteous judgement. It does not say that we should not judge at all.Mormon doctrine teaches us not to judge, and I’m sorry Zerinus, but I think you’re wrong on this one.
Forgiving people is one thing; not judging them is another. Let’s not confuse the two.Christ is our judge, and He has taught us to forgive even the sinner.
And you need to understand that I am not crying to anybody. I tell people what they need to hear. If they don’t like it, that is tough luck.Then let’s understand each other. I don’t want to see LDS come to this board and start crying because we defend ourselves against the attacks of an apostate group like the Mormons.
Mormonism is no more anti-Catholic than it is anti-Protestant, anti-Jewish, or anti-Buddhist. It simply preaches the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the latter days; and everyone must accept it or be damned. That is the bottom line.We who belong to the ancient Christian Church do not feel inclined to accept attacks from those who claim to speak in the name of God while denying Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist and denying the authority of the Church Christ founded when he was on the earth. We are not about to accept scriptures like the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham which have been convincingly shown to be modern day forgeries. Nor are we going to stand by while you make claims about multiple gods when the Bible makes it clear there is only one God. I’m willing to let Mormons be Mormons, but not when you go out of your way to attack the Catholic faith. This attack on the Catholic faith is a regular feature of Mormon meetings which I have attended, not simply an isolated occurrence. I haven’t heard Mormonism mentioned once during a mass. I hardly even hear Protestantism mentioned except in a positive way in which Protestants are referred to as our separated brethren. The entire Mormon missionary message is anti-Catholic.
Mormonism is the epitome of Apostacy. Now that’s the bottom line.Mormonism is no more anti-Catholic than it is anti-Protestant, anti-Jewish, or anti-Buddhist. It simply preaches the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the latter days; and everyone must accept it or be damned. That is the bottom line.
I don’t understand this. No stake president has the power to just kick anybody out of the Church. If you were a Melchizedek priesthood holder, and you were accused of transgression, you would have to be tried before a high council court, where the evidences would be examined, and you would be given the opportunity to defend yourself. If you didn’t agree with the decision of the court, you could appeal against that decision to the First Presidency of the Church. If you were not a Melchizedek priesthood holder, you would be tried before the bishop’s court, with the same procedures being followed, and you would still have the right of appeal.i must agree with GrandmaRose in post 67. i was released from the LDS church, and that by one false wittness to a Bishop who told a Stake President who kicked me out. In this morning’s LDS General Conference Senior LDS authorities said what i was saying out here in the wilderness as a Stake Missionary in Houston. i don’t feel lost or condemed. infact see the great need to help mend one part of the truth to the other part of the truth. and remove the chaft in the process on both sides.
It’s also about as far as “Christian” heresy goes under the broader definition of the word “Christian” as “attempting to follow Jesus Christ”.Mormonism is the epitome of Apostacy. Now that’s the bottom line.
Your probably right… I ask my sister questions about the Mormon religion and at least I know she is honest and if she dosn’t know she says so. On this forum it seems everyone likes to argue… :tsktsk:Many Mormons won’t answer because they flat out don’t know. Some on the other hand think they have all the answers. I think the bob and weave is pretty common when it comes to regular christianity.
I never once while in the LDS faith ever heard mentioned in a meeting a Catholic. Where on earth did you belong ? Mormons don’t focus on Catholics.Then let’s understand each other. I don’t want to see LDS come to this board and start crying because we defend ourselves against the attacks of an apostate group like the Mormons. We who belong to the ancient Christian Church do not feel inclined to accept attacks from those who claim to speak in the name of God while denying Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist and denying the authority of the Church Christ founded when he was on the earth. We are not about to accept scriptures like the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham which have been convincingly shown to be modern day forgeries. Nor are we going to stand by while you make claims about multiple gods when the Bible makes it clear there is only one God. I’m willing to let Mormons be Mormons, but not when you go out of your way to attack the Catholic faith. This attack on the Catholic faith is a regular feature of Mormon meetings which I have attended, not simply an isolated occurrence. I haven’t heard Mormonism mentioned once during a mass. I hardly even hear Protestantism mentioned except in a positive way in which Protestants are referred to as our separated brethren. The entire Mormon missionary message is anti-Catholic.
Any time they are talking about the Great Apostasy they are talking about Catholics. Didn’t they ever once talk about the Great Apostasy in your meetings – they always have where I have lived. And every General Conference you can be sure they will talk about the Great Apostasy.I never once while in the LDS faith ever heard mentioned in a meeting a Catholic. Where on earth did you belong ? Mormons don’t focus on Catholics.
That is not what that verse in John says. You have interpreted it to mean something it does not. You are supposed to pray for those folks. notice the green below.Sure I can. Here is one reference I had previously given:
1 John 5:
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
This scripture identifies a certain kind of sin that is called a “sin unto death”. Then is says that we should not pray for someone committing such a sin. This tells us two things: Firstly, someone committing such a sin must be identifiable; otherwise we couldn’t obey the injunction not pray for him. So there must be some way that we can identify him. Secondly, if we are not supposed to pray for him, then it stands to reason that we shouldn’t preach the gospel to him, or try to convert him either. He is spiritually dead, finished, beyond hope. Well, there is such a sin, and there are such people around; and those with the right kind of spiritual discernment can recognize and identify them. The sin unto death is the sin against the Holy Ghost. Here is another good scripture for you to look at:
2 John 1:
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
So if we are not supposed to pray for him, and even say hello and goodbye to him (which is what God speed means), then it stands to reason that we should not befriend him or preach the gospel to him either.
I think you are mistaken. LDS doctrine teaches that we should not judge unrighteously, or with an unrighteous judgement. It does not say that we should not judge at all.
Forgiving people is one thing; not judging them is another. Let’s not confuse the two.
zerinus
I never knew a mormon who talks like he does in regards to apostates. It seems to me he is taking his own views and mixing them with mormonism.so now amgid/zerinus advocates death to all apostates… and he gets to define who is an apostate…interesting. He also uses this as an excuse to ignore posters who are able to prove that what argue for is false. That’s following the Brigham Young example for sure.
I think you are mixing your own views with mormonism. You are doing true mormons a diservice.And you need to understand that I am not crying to anybody. I tell people what they need to hear. If they don’t like it, that is tough luck.
Mormonism is no more anti-Catholic than it is anti-Protestant, anti-Jewish, or anti-Buddhist. It simply preaches the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the latter days; and everyone must accept it or be damned. That is the bottom line.
zerinus
why bash at all? what purpose does it serve but to turn others away?I do not wish to offend anyone, I wish to speak the truth.
Mormonism is Manacheeistic Arian heresy. Let me explain.
First of all Mormons believe that the teaching of The Apostles was lost after they died. We know this isn’t true because the entire New Testament was written by them.
By saying that the teaching was lost they are saying that The Church died. Hence it is Manacheeistic. Jesus said “I will build my Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.” (Ref: Matthew 16:18) If The Church died, then Jesus would have said something that wasn’t true. We know he is not a liar. Like all heresies of it’s type, Mormons believe that God rose up a ‘prophet’ to restore The Church.
Mormons believe the classic heresy that God told the ‘prophet’ to restore The Church, but also go beyond that. They believe that Joseph Smith was visited by angels (Which side The Angels were on, is debatable.) to tell him the original teachings of The Apostles and then it gets funny. Mormons believe that John The Baptist came down to anoint him with the Aaronic priesthood anointing because The Aaronic priesthood needed to be restored. First of all it is utterly crazy that God would send someone from Heaven to restore something his son made obsolete. Secondly, the whole idea that God would send a departed saint to Earth to do it is even more ridiculous. Why not send Jesus Christ himself.
Mormonism is also an Arian heresy because they do not believe in The Biblical Trinity. They do not believe in The Incarnate Deity of Jesus Christ. As we know that The Church never died and The Apostles teachings were not lost, we also know from The Apostles teachings found in The Bible, the three creeds and two-thousand years of Church history that Jesus Christ is God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made. (Ref: Nicene Creed, paragraph II, John 1:1 Titus 2:13, Romans 9:5, Matthew 1:23, John 5:18, Philippians 2:6 and II Peter1:1)
Another thing about Mormons is that they wear a secret garment with occultic symbols on it. Mormons do not like discussing this garment, claiming it is precious to them. The Bible says “Rend your heart, not your garments” (Ref: Joel 2:13) Mormons claim that the symbols on the garment represent covenants they have made with God. As the only two covenants ordained by God that are in force now are the blood covenant we have we God through the blood of Christ and the covenant of Christian marriage. We know that these other covenants were not ordained by God, so we must question who the covenants have been made with.
Mormons do not understand what a biblical covenant is. They believe that baptism is a covenant when in fact baptism is a sign of the covenant we have with god through the blood of Christ as circumcision was a sign of the old covenant.
This is enough to be going on with.
I’m not into Mormon bashing but I could bash Manacheeistic Arian heresies all day long.