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Yours is the assertion with no proof. You haven’t the foggiest.
 
Are you saying infants Christened in the Church are not Christian then? The don’t even have the capacity to believe in anything yet, to use language, or understand the terminology. The Church says they are Christian and they don’t have any beliefs. I guess the Pope would disagree with you.
 
Horton said:
Belief in the Trinity is crucial.
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Would would you say to all of the faithful followers of Christ who did not know of the doctrine of the Trinity prior to the two Councils of Nicaea?
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The Catholic Church does not accept the LDS baptism as valid just for this reason.
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The RCC has a right to accept or reject other beliefs and practices for whatever reason it chooses.
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It is not a Christian baptism as the LDS invocation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit means something entirely different than what Christian belief is.
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LDS baptism is a Christian baptism, it’s just not an Orthodox Christian baptism.
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So while you may not accept this proof, it is good enough for the me.
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This is CAF so if this is good enough for you, that’s fine.
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Your god(s) are very different that the God of Christianity.
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Better stated IMHO: Your god(s) are very different than the God of Orthodox Christianity.
 
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Your “Christ” is not the Christ Christians believe in. You don’t believe in the Trinity. Your baptisms are not valid. Your Jesus is the brother of Satan. Our Jesus isn’t just the Son of God, He IS God!!!
 
You know, there are groups that do not believe what Christians believe about God. But, they still affirm that there’s a single God. Judaism for instance. Judaism not only believes in God, but believes in the same God Christians do. However, once you start adding other gods to the mix, what you believe is not Christian nor could it be. The defining traits of Christianity are its monotheism, and its trinitarianism. Since Mormons are not monotheistic and are not trinitarian, they are not by definition Christian. You can’t really say that Mormons worship the same God, because they believe in multiple gods. This is where the problem lies. I don’t doubt many Mormons are sincere people, that really do want to do the will of whom they have been taught is God, but at the same time, I find it very hard to believe that that is the same God I believe in. God becoming man, is not that hard to believe. But man becoming god, honestly you see a lot of that in Greek mythology. I’m just asking for a sincere discussion, and not proselytism which is what I seem to be getting.
 
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Why does everyone care what Mormons call themselves? They can call themselves Martians if they want to. What difference does it make? We know that they worship a different Christ. They admit to it. All that really matters is the truth. And if it makes them feel more safe in following a false Jesus, so let it be.
 
Lemuel said:
Why does everyone care what Mormons call themselves? They can call themselves Martians if they want to. What difference does it make? We know that they worship a different Christ. They admit to it. All that really matters is the truth. And if it makes them feel more safe in following a false Jesus, so let it be.
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As Christians, we care about Mormons and want them to go to Heaven. Worshipping a different Christ isn’t going to get them there. I’ve only known one Mormon who admitted that Mormons aren’t Christians. And imho, he was more honest than the Mormons who believe they are Christians.

We continue to tell Mormons the truth instead of having an air of indifference and remaining silent about the “Jesus” they believe in because we love them and care about their souls. We continue to pray for them and leave the heart change to the Holy Spirit.
 
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We continue to tell Mormons the truth instead of having an air of indifference and remaining silent about the “Jesus” they believe in because we love them and care about their souls. We continue to pray for them and leave the heart change to the Holy Spirit.
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I’m not suggesting that we remain silent about who Jesus is. I just think the argument over a label is sort of silly. I don’t care what they call themselves. I just care what is truth.
 
Hopefully, the Holy Spirit will open their eyes to the Truth. Then they can leave Mormonism behind and become Christians.
 
One of the biggest problems I have is they teach equality with God - each one of them can become just like God and we know as Catholics how wrong that is.

The other one that blows me away is that God had a physical relationship with Mary. That Satan is Jesus brother - that’s not what the bible says its absolutely ridiculous and I don’t know how you come to believe these things.
 
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One of the biggest problems I have is they teach equality with God - each one of them can become just like God and we know as Catholics how wrong that is.
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If that is the case what do you make of the CCC that speaks of making men gods?

CCC 460 The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”: “For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.” “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.” "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."
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The other one that blows me away is that God had a physical relationship with Mary.
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This is not LDS belief. Mormons believe that Mary was a virgin during her pregnancy when she was carrying Jesus.
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That Satan is Jesus brother - that’s not what the bible says its absolutely ridiculous and I don’t know how you come to believe these things.
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It’s in the Bible.

Job 1:6 One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came among them

Job 2:1 One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came with them.

I hope this helps…
 
No not at all its ridiculous - I guarantee you will not be converting any Catholic here to the Mormon faith
 
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I can’t tell you how many times over the years I hesrd it taught that God had a sexual relationship with Mary and they still teach it today. That is absolute fact. They say that Mary was a virgin because she knew no mortal man. That’s how they get around it. He can deny it all he wants but just invest fifteen minutes online and you will find ample quotes from LDS leaders from LDS websites verifying this.
 
And what Gaz can’t deny is that it is canonized doctrine that you belong to the Church of the Devil, that the Catholic Church is an abomination in the sight of God, that your professors are all corrupt, and teach for their gain the commandments of men and not of God, and deny the power of God. Basically you are evil. The good news is that even hell bound people like Mother Teresa can repent and have her temple ordinances done and can still have eternal life if she chooses to accept the Mormon God.
 
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BT3241:
One of the biggest problems I have is they teach equality with God - each one of them can become just like God and we know as Catholics how wrong that is.
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If that is the case what do you make of the CCC that speaks of making men gods?

CCC 460 The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”: “For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.” “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.” "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."
BT3241 said:
The other one that blows me away is that God had a physical relationship with Mary.
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This is not LDS belief. Mormons believe that Mary was a virgin during her pregnancy when she was carrying Jesus.
BT3241 said:
That Satan is Jesus brother - that’s not what the bible says its absolutely ridiculous and I don’t know how you come to believe these things.
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It’s in the Bible.

Job 1:6 One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came among them

Job 2:1 One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came with them.

I hope this helps…
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Mormons totally twist the meaning of Scripture.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
Don’t Mormons believe that the Virgin Mary didn’t conceive by the power of the Holy Spirit? How does that square with the Bible, which says that she did?Luke 1:34-35 RSVCE - And Mary said to the angel, “How can - Bible Gateway
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That is correct. They believe that the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, which allowed her to be in the presence of God without being consumed. She was conceived by God. Now, the Mormons today will spin it a little differently and say that it was not necessarily sexual intercourse as we know it, but could have been something similar to in vitro. In other words, they have backed off of any official position in spite of what many of their past leaders have said. The thing is, the Mormon God is schizophrenic and you never know what to believe one day to the next. One thing that is totally consistent about Mormonism is its inconsistency. Their doctrine is driven by the direction of the winds.
 
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