Liberal Catholics pushing changes in the church to gather in Detroit

[PPT]

(My reply beneath Pax et Bonum.) Sorry, I’ve yet to figure out to post my reply first HERE!

 

[Dale_M]

(My reply beneath Pax et Bonum.) Sorry, I’ve yet to figure out to post my reply first HERE!

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[Tigg]

I agree. I was informed as much by a Religious Superior. It’s about time a Catholic calls a spade a spade, which of course will begin to require all who challenge the liberal agenda to stand up and be counted! And by that I mean defend the Faith, as it is handed down through Apostolic succession (the Magisterium.)

Welcome to CAF! Those of us who espouse orthodoxy are always glad to see another kindred soul, but beware of the wolves!

 

[Teelynn]

Welcome to CAF! Those of us who espouse orthodoxy are always glad to see another kindred soul, but beware of the wolves!

And may I add there is more than one type of wolf that will prey on traditional thinking Catholics…the smoke of Satan seems to be coming from many directions.

 

[JaMc]

Of course, there is already a group which allows ordination of women and practicing homosexuals, isn’t opposed to abortion and birth control, and is quite tolerant when it comes to social issues: episcopalchurch.org/

In such a wonderful, tolerant church, their Sunday services must be standing room only! Oh, wait…

 

[estesbob]

Of course, there is already a group which allows ordination of women and practicing homosexuals, isn’t opposed to abortion and birth control, and is quite tolerant when it comes to social issues: episcopalchurch.org/

In such a wonderful, tolerant church, their Sunday services must be standing room only! Oh, wait…

And both priests and laity of that group are joining the Catholic Church in droves to get away from exactly what this liberal Catholic group is trying to impose on our Church… Perhaps we should work out a swap

 

[jwinch2]

And both priests and laity of that group are joining the Catholic Church in droves to get away from exactly what this liberal Catholic group is trying to impose on our Church…

Not to mention that many of them broke off from the Episcopal church and started their own thing: anglicanchurch.net/; and some of them have joined the Orthodox Church as well. The one thing they don’t seem to be doing is staying Episcopal. I have high hopes for the ANCA’s reunion with Holy Mother Church in that they agree with us on everything related to morals and almost everything related to faith. One of the reasons cited in their breaking away from the Episcopal Church was that they would be able to come closer to the Catholic Church in the process. Here’s hoping and praying!

There are really only four options for Catholics who feel the way these people seem to: 1) leave and join the Episcopal or other church. This would mean the Church losing souls which I certainly do not want so it is hardly a good option; 2) Stay and keep trying to reform the Church. This is a lousy option as well as they will obviously never be happy and since the Church cannot and will not change on these issues, they are wasting their time and energy and will a constant annoyance to faithful Catholics; 3) Stay and shut up about these issues but privately still hold them. Obviously this will only create deep seated frustration with the Church and her teachings but does have the benefit that someone who disagrees with something but decides to stay and accept the situation as is can offer up their frustration and suffering to Christ and perhaps attain some measure of grace as a result; and 4) stay and come to learn, accept, and embrace the teachings of the Church on these matters. This is quite obviously the best option for all concerned as it has the merit of keeping them in Christ’s one true Church, allows them to have some peace in their lives, and unites them more fully with the body of Christ.

I am hoping for number 4 but unfortunately the cynic in me doesn’t see it happening anytime soon. As has already been pointed out this group seems to be aging and since they don’t have many kids either, it is likely to die out over the next generation. Or at least, to dwindle in numbers drastically.

Peace,

 

[OriginalJS]

Liberal Catholics pushing changes in the church to gather in Detroit

BY NIRAJ WARIKOO

DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
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Copy of letter sent Friday by Archbishop of Detroit Allen Vigneron warning priests and deacons to stay away from a liberal conference in Detroit held by the American Catholic Council. If priests attend the Council’s Sunday mass, they could be defrocked, Vigneon writes.

My dear brother priests and deacons,

As you may be aware, a group calling itself the American Catholic Council will be meeting at Cobo Hall on the weekend of June 11 and 12. Despite my attempts to engage in a dialogue with them about this planned event, the organizers of this conference have not replied to me directly. I have a number of concerns about this event and caution any Catholic against participating for reasons expressed already in previous communications sent by the Archdiocese.

Of particular concern is the “Eucharistic Liturgy,” noted on the schedule for this conference on Pentecost Sunday, June 12. The Fathers of the Second Vatican Council instruct us, “Every legitimate celebration of the Eucharist is regulated by the bishop, to whom is committed the office of offering the worship of the Christian religion to the divine Majesty and of administering it in accordance with the Lord’s commandments and with the Church’s laws, as further defined by his particular judgment for his diocese.” (Lumen Gentium, 26). I take my role as moderator of the liturgy for the archdiocese (Sacrosanctum Concilium, 22) very seriously. To confirm the legitimacy of what they had planned, the ACC had been asked to provide details regarding this liturgy. The response received was ambiguous, and there are good reasons for believing forbidden concelebration will take place by the laity and with those not in full communion with the Church.

In order to fulfill my responsibilities, so clearly enunciated by the Second Vatican Council, of fostering of communion with both the local and the universal Church, I am compelled to caution any priests or deacons who may be considering participation in this liturgy. It is not being celebrated with my permission as required by the law and the good order of the People of God. Further, clergy should be aware of the impact of forbidden concelebration with those who are not in full communion (canons 908 and 1365). This is a serious delict, for which recourse to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is required, and which may result in dismissal from the clerical state (cf. Sacramentorum Sanctitatis Tutela, 2001 and 2010).

I ask that you pray with me for the unity of the Church. As we commemorate the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles and the Blessed Virgin in this upcoming Solemnity, may the Holy Spirit come afresh on all of us, keeping us united in the love of God and keeping our attention and energies focused on the task of sharing Christ in and through His Church.

Sincerely yours in Christ,

The Most Reverend Allen H. Vigneron, Archbishop of Detroit

freep.com/article/20110609/NEWS05/106090540/Liberal-Catholics-pushing-changes-church-gather-Detroit

I am wondering about this in a somewhat different light. If the communion is not authorized by the bishop, then it isn’t valid at all, or is it? If it isn’t valid, then is the real issue here some kind of sacrilege caused by participation in a mock communion? If so, shouldn’t a penalty apply to all who participate? If it is valid, I don’t understand how it can be without the bishop’s approval.

 

[1holycatholic]

I am wondering about this in a somewhat different light. If the communion is not authorized by the bishop, then it isn’t valid at all, or is it? If it isn’t valid, then is the real issue here some kind of sacrilege caused by participation in a mock communion? If so, shouldn’t a penalty apply to all who participate? If it is valid, I don’t understand how it can be without the bishop’s approval.

If it’s not authorized by the bishop then it isn’t licit.

 

[Dale_M]

If it’s not authorized by the bishop then it isn’t licit.

Yes, even an excommunicated priest still is able to validly confect the Eucharist, however doing so is illicit.

This is from an old news story, about a unfortunate series of events in St. Louis.

The Rev. Marek Bozek left his previous parish without his bishop’s permission and was hired by St. Stanislaus Kostka Church this month. As a result, Father Bozek and the parish’s six-member lay board were excommunicated last week by Archbishop Raymond Burke for committing an act of schism.

Archbishop Burke said it would be a mortal sin for anyone to participate in a Mass celebrated by a priest who was excommunicated.

The archbishop, who could not stop the Mass, said it would be “valid” but “illicit.”

nytimes.com/2005/12/26/national/26mass.html