Like Ann Coulter, All Faithful Christians Believe "Jews Need to be Perfected"

[tomarin]

my theory is that jewish anxiety about conversion is due not only to their history as a persecuted group but also the ongoing war of attrition they are fighting against out-marrying due to cultural assimilation.

when jews marry non-jews (as many do, especially, i would imagine, the secular ones) their children are less likely to be raised jewish or even to be considered jewish by the jewish community because of the “mother only” rule. this places the cultural survival of the jews as a distincitive racial and religious group at risk.

i would imagine this anxiety about the future of judaism makes some jews even more jumpy about conversion to christianity.

 

[rlg94086]

At least one Jew is defending Coulter

Jewish pundit defends Ann Coulter

And, here is another…
michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/1171b1f9-95ad-4b4b-8d6c-acb7c3960363

The current Ann Coulter controversy stems from unscripted and clumsy responses to obnoxious questioning by CNBC host Donny Deutsch. When discussing her vision for a better America, she described a country where everyone would be patriotic and “Christian.” When the host bristled (inevitably and appropriately) at that ill-considered, off-hand remark, she allowed that, like other Christians, she wanted Jews someday “to be perfected.” Under subsequent attack she refused (in the best Coulter tradition) to back down. This exchange drew condemnation from nearly all of the leading Jewish organizations in the United States, but the outrage provoked by her remarks – one typical columnist, Florie Brizel called her “a poison-filled hate monger” – seems utterly inappropriate for two reasons.

First, any American Jew who doesn’t already understand that sincere Christians want the whole world ultimately to come to Christ – including us – is an ignorant fool. Yes, Christianity believes in converting people: and most of us received that memo about 2000 years ago. [RLG: ]The proper response to the declaration that Christians want all of humanity to become Christian shouldn’t be outrage or indignation; it ought to be, “Duh!” If your friends or neighbors seek to share with you the greatest gift they’ve ever received, it’s not usually a sign that they hate you; in fact, it’s very likely an indication that they love you.

Second, the Jewish people face far more serious enemies today than those who seek to share the joy and fulfilment of their faith. Millions of Muslims want to kill us, Jimmy Carter wants to smear Israel as an “apartheid state,” and Professors Walt and Mearsheimer claim that a Jewish conspiracy dominates American policy. In this context, the rage against a pro-Israel, pro-American, anti-Jihad commentator like Coulter is wildly misguided. After all, in the same conversation on CNBC she allowed that in her view of “heaven” all Democrats would be “like Joe Lieberman” (the most famous religious Jew in America) and affirmed that she believes, with the late Jerry Falwell, that Jews certainly have our own place in heaven.

 

[bones_IV]

I’m not going to deny that there was anti-semitic persecutions. I think they are being misrepresented.

 

[Richardols]

The people who are up in arms over the phrase “perfected Jew” wouldn’t take the phrase “completed Jew” any better.

Either phrase is insulting, and entirely non-Catholic. Where does the Catholic Church use that term? NOWHERE!

It’s term used by Fundamentalists and Evangelicals that goes along with their odd eschatology. We Catholics do well not to jump on their bandwagon.

BTW, Jews who convert to Catholicism become CATHOLICS, not completed anythings.

 

[edwest2]

Ann Coulter is not harmless. She is an agitator whose remarks are receiving undue media attention. Ask yourself, who placed this person in her current position?

She is not scholarly. She is rarely intellectual but she has appeared on the covers of national magazines. You don’t publish a book called Godless and get it into supermarkets unless you have a well funded PR machine behind you.

She is not a recognized spokesman for any Christian denomination. And by their fruit you shall know them.

Like any media product, any celebrity, she has been designed and packaged to reach a particular portion of a target audience with inappropriate, vulgar and outrageous statements. Anyone who is dealing with such sensitive issues should be prudent with the way they speak. Miss Coulter is known for being impolite, rude, defamatory, contentious, and making derogatory statements.

God bless,
Ed

 

[rlg94086]

Ann Coulter is not harmless. She is an agitator whose remarks are receiving undue media attention. Ask yourself, who placed this person in her current position?

She is not scholarly. She is rarely intellectual but she has appeared on the covers of national magazines. You don’t publish a book called Godless and get it into supermarkets unless you have a well funded PR machine behind you.

She is not a recognized spokesman for any Christian denomination. And by their fruit you shall know them.

Like any media product, any celebrity, she has been designed and packaged to reach a particular portion of a target audience with inappropriate, vulgar and outrageous statements. Anyone who is dealing with such sensitive issues should be prudent with the way they speak. Miss Coulter is known for being impolite, rude, defamatory, contentious, and making derogatory statements.

God bless,
Ed

Ed,

I get it that you don’t like Ann Coulter, but your post comes off like conspiracy theory nonsense. Who do you think is pulling her strings? Who do you think placed her in this position?

I think, more likely, she did things the same way that other pundits and talk show hosts do, and she found an audience. There is no reason to suspect something nefarious behind the scenes.

 

[Genesis315]

None of us will be perfected or completed until we attain to the beatific vision.

For the Jewish people, we pray that they come to the fullness of God’s covenant with them. It is Jesus Christ who has fulfilled the covenant made to Abraham. The covenant is perfected in Christ. That is what we invite them to embrace.

 

[Kaninchen]

I wonder why there is an assumption that if Jews were to convert to another religion we’d choose Christianity?

While I’m concerned that my children might ‘marry out’, rather like most Europeans (of any religion I’d imagine), I’d expect they’d marry ‘secular’ people rather than serious members of other religions.

 

[Richardols]

I wonder why there is an assumption that if Jews were to convert to another religion we’d choose Christianity?

While I’m concerned that my children might ‘marry out’, rather like most Europeans (of any religion I’d imagine), I’d expect they’d marry ‘secular’ people rather than serious members of other religions.

I agree. I was listening to a discussion on the radio between a rabbi and a Catholic priest. The rabbi suggested and the priest agreed that a marriage between a Jew and a Catholic would be a marriage between one who wasn’t very much of a Jew and one who wasn’t very much of a Catholic.

There’s a real advantage to those of both faiths to remain faithful to their faiths and not to try to have one or the other convert or to settle on some “in-between” nothing faith.

 

[edwest2]

Ed,

I get it that you don’t like Ann Coulter, but your post comes off like conspiracy theory nonsense. Who do you think is pulling her strings? Who do you think placed her in this position?

I think, more likely, she did things the same way that other pundits and talk show hosts do, and she found an audience. There is no reason to suspect something nefarious behind the scenes.

To get back on Topic, she is an aggravator, and she is doing harm by associating Christianity with various statements she makes. Not to be unkind to Miss Coulter, but she fits the loud, rude and dysfunctional model currently being marketed by the media. If what she had to say amounted to a blog on the web, I would discount her words as being those of a somewhat intelligent but whiney teenager just out of high school.

No one is being served by her silly, rude and at times, outrageous, as in “can I get some attention here” comments. I hope you get that. Like Bill O’Reilley, she is being marketed like a product, but one that is antithetical to the common good or the general welfare. If someone like her is getting the tacit endorsement of publications like TIME then I think that the handful of companies who control the media are dragging the level of civil discourse down in this country.

When people like her and Bill Maher, who has his own brand of vulgarity, get the air time they do, I believe that this country is being dumbed down and being decivilized.

So back to the OT. She was wrong about what she said.

God bless,
Ed

 

[bones_IV]

Either phrase is insulting, and entirely non-Catholic. Where does the Catholic Church use that term? NOWHERE!

It’s term used by Fundamentalists and Evangelicals that goes along with their odd eschatology. We Catholics do well not to jump on their bandwagon.

BTW, Jews who convert to Catholicism become CATHOLICS, not completed anythings.

I think God would disagree with you.

St. John the Baptist says, “Do penance”.

 

[Richardols]

When people like her and Bill Maher, who has his own brand of vulgarity, get the air time they do, I believe that this country is being dumbed down and being decivilized.

And don’t forget all the other radio talk show vulgarians.

So back to the OT. She was wrong about what she said.

Yes, her remarks were offensive both to Jews and should have been offensive to Catholics as well given that our Church never speaks of “completed or perfected Jews.”

 

[bones_IV]

And don’t forget all the other radio talk show vulgarians.

Yes, her remarks were offensive both to Jews and should have been offensive to Catholics as well given that our Church never speaks of “completed or perfected Jews.”

Really? When a Jew becomes a Catholic he’s the complete Jew. Just ask Fr. Levis.

 

[Richardols]

I think God would disagree with you.

Can you cite a Church document that refers to Jews who convert to the Faith as “completed” Jews?

 

[Richardols]

Really? When a Jew becomes a Catholic he’s the complete Jew. Just ask Fr. Levis.

1. Who is Fr. Levis?
2. Does he speak for the Church officially or is that his personal opinion?

 

[Richardols]

When a Jew becomes a Catholic he’s the complete Jew.

And Moslem converts and Hindu converts and atheist converts become complete Moslems and complete Hindus and complete atheists. I see.

 

[bones_IV]

Can you cite a Church document that refers to Jews who convert to the Faith as “completed” Jews?

Start with the CCC

579 This principle of integral observance of the Law not only in letter but in spirit was dear to the Pharisees. By giving Israel this principle they had led many Jews of Jesus’ time to an extreme religious zeal. 334 This zeal, were it not to lapse into “hypocritical” casuistry, 335 could only prepare the People for the unprecedented intervention of God through the perfect fulfilment of the Law by the only Righteous One in place of all sinners. 336

 

[bones_IV]

1. Who is Fr. Levis?

Of EWTN.

1. Does he speak for the Church officially or is that his personal opinion?

The Catholic Church is Judaic by religion and is the fulfillment of Judaism.

 

[Richardols]

The Catholic Church is Judaic by religion and is the fulfillment of Judaism.

That isn’t an answer. You are speaking of the Faith and I am speaking of an individual convert.

 

[Richardols]

Start with the CCC

579 This principle of integral observance of the Law not only in letter but in spirit was dear to the Pharisees. By giving Israel this principle they had led many Jews of Jesus’ time to an extreme religious zeal. 334 This zeal, were it not to lapse into “hypocritical” casuistry, 335 could only prepare the People for the unprecedented intervention of God through the perfect fulfilment of the Law by the only Righteous One in place of all sinners. 336

The perfection of which you speak is the fulfillment of the Law by Jesus. That does not refer to the perfection of an individual by simple conversion.