Like Ann Coulter, All Faithful Christians Believe "Jews Need to be Perfected"

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Richardols said:
I agree. I was listening to a discussion on the radio between a rabbi and a Catholic priest. The rabbi suggested and the priest agreed that a marriage between a Jew and a Catholic would be a marriage between one who wasn’t very much of a Jew and one who wasn’t very much of a Catholic.
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Sounds about right!
There’s a real advantage to those of both faiths to remain faithful to their faiths and not to try to have one or the other convert or to settle on some “in-between” nothing faith.
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I think the idea that a mother could raise her children in another faith (where the gap in beliefs is so wide - together with a fair amount of ‘historical’ distrust, of course) takes some imagining.
 
Modern Judaism is a mess because it lacks Jesus. Is it any coincedence so many Jews support the abortion holocaust, homosexuality, liberalism/marxism, state atheism, blasphemy, etc?

The only form of Judaism that I have any respect for is Orthodox Judaism, and they are a huge minority. “Reform Judaism”, “Conservative Judaism”, and “Secular Judaism” are all utter perversions of the faith of Abraham and Moses. If Moses or Abraham or Elijah saw the horrid Talmud they would burst into tears.
 
RomanCrusader said:
Modern Judaism is a mess because it lacks Jesus. Is it any coincedence so many Jews support the abortion holocaust, homosexuality, liberalism/marxism, state atheism, blasphemy, etc?

The only form of Judaism that I have any respect for is Orthodox Judaism, and they are a huge minority. “Reform Judaism”, “Conservative Judaism”, and “Secular Judaism” are all utter perversions of the faith of Abraham and Moses. If Moses or Abraham or Elijah saw the horrid Talmud they would burst into tears.
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Speaking as a Jew, are you? If not, something about glass houses comes to mind.
 
Richardols said:
There’s also a perversion called conservatism that good folks ought to avoid as well, I’d think.
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I would hardly call folks who believe in outlawing abortion, euthanasia and same sex marriages part of a perversion.:rolleyes:
 
iamrefreshed said:
I would hardly call folks who believe in outlawing abortion, euthanasia and same sex marriages part of a perversion.:rolleyes:
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If 100% of all conservatives were like that, I’d say that you’d have a point there. But, there are any number of non-social conservatives who don’t share your point of view. Not all conservatives are religious social conservatives, just as not all of us liberals are pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, and in favor of same-sex marriage.
 
Richardols said:
If 100% of all conservatives were like that, I’d say that you’d have a point there. But, there are any number of non-social conservatives who don’t share your point of view. Not all conservatives are religious social conservatives, just as not all of us liberals are pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, and in favor of same-sex marriage.
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We are talking about modernism.

Read Pascendi Dominici Gregis by Pope Pius X.
 
bones_IV said:
We are talking about modernism.
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Are we indeed? In which previous post does the word “modernism” appear? So, it appears that we are not talking about modernism.

BTW, I’ve read Pius X’s Encyclical many times. One of the benefits of attending a Catholic university in the early 1960s - exposure and discussion of the encyclicals of modern popes.
 
We are all imperfect due to the fall. We are all corruptible–only God is incorruptible. For this He united His nature with ours, so that we might unite ours with His–thus various saints have said, “God became man so that man might become God.” We partake of the divine nature through our union with Jesus Christ, true God and true man.

This can only take place in union with His Mystical Body, which is the Catholic Church. This is why the Church even recently has affirmed that those outside her are objectively in an “gravely deficient” situation (Dominus Iesus, 22).

Since apart from the Body of Christ, which receives salvation through its Divine Head, there is no remission of sins, that perfection cannot be achieved elsewhere.

The problem with what Coulter said is she seems to be operating from evangelical or fundamentalist errors by which she sees the “perfection” as happening at the moment of conversion. Whereas, the truth is that Baptism, by which we become members of the Body of Christ, is the only the beginning of the process of perfection.

Members of the Body of Christ therefore have the potential to be perfected whereas those separated from the Body of Christ do not.

So while it is true that Jews need to be perfected, so does everybody else this side of Heaven. The difference is those who remain separated from Jesus Christ, who do not unite themselves to Him and cannot partake of the divine nature, cannot be perfected.
 
Genesis315 said:
We are all imperfect due to the fall. We are all corruptible–only God is incorruptible. For this He united His nature with ours, so that we might unite ours with His–thus various saints have said, “God became man so that man might become God.” We partake of the divine nature through our union with Jesus Christ, true God and true man.

This can only take place in union with His Mystical Body, which is the Catholic Church. This is why the Church even recently has affirmed that those outside her are objectively in an “gravely deficient” situation (Dominus Iesus, 22).

Since apart from the Body of Christ, which receives salvation through its Divine Head, there is no remission of sins, that perfection cannot be achieved elsewhere.

The problem with what Coulter said is she seems to be operating from evangelical or fundamentalist errors by which she sees the “perfection” as happening at the moment of conversion. Whereas, the truth is that Baptism, by which we become members of the Body of Christ, is the only the beginning of the process of perfection.

Members of the Body of Christ therefore have the potential to be perfected whereas those separated from the Body of Christ do not.

So while it is true that Jews need to be perfected, so does everybody else this side of Heaven. The difference is those who remain separated from Jesus Christ, who do not unite themselves to Him and cannot partake of the divine nature, cannot be perfected.
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How well put. Which goes to show that Coulter’s “perfected Jew,” which a Jew becomes when he “accepts Jesus as his Saviour” is a wholly evangelical/fundamentalist concept contrary to the Catholic view.
 
Richardols said:
Are we indeed? In which previous post does the word “modernism” appear? So, it appears that we are not talking about modernism.

BTW, I’ve read Pius X’s Encyclical many times. One of the benefits of attending a Catholic university in the early 1960s - exposure and discussion of the encyclicals of modern popes.
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Excuse me, but saying that the Jews don’t need to be converted is modernism. The synthesis of all heresies.
 
i finally watched the video clip of coulter’s comments on youtube. did anyone else catch where she said to the host something along the lines of “if you were a religious jew, that would be ok, but i know that you’re not.”

and he replied, again paraphrasing, “in fact i am religious so you’re wrong.”

it seems to me she was trying to change the terms of the debate from a jew versus christian opposition to a religious versus secular opposition. which is fine by me and it would have probably been more insightful if the rest of the conversation had gone off in that direction.

but isn’t is contradictory to say “it would be desirable if all jews would convert to christianity” (as many of the posters here seem to be saying) and at the same time affirm “only secular jews need to convert, the religious jews can stay as they are”.

i have to admit being sympathetic to coulter’s point of view (contrary though it may be). i feel it would be far preferable for many of my secular jewish friends to at least explore their jewish religious heritage and affirm god’s existence than to continue in what is essentially an atheistic existence.

of course it would be even better if they explored christianity, but that seems an unlikely occurance since the friends i’m thinking of have a secularist’s distrust of all organized religion, particularly christianity. at least judaism is part of their heritage as jews.
 
bones_IV said:
Excuse me, but saying that the Jews don’t need to be converted is modernism. The synthesis of all heresies.
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Please do read the posts before responding to them. No one here was discussing the conversion of Jews to Catholicism. Comments were about Coulter’s notion that a Jew becomes “perfected” when he accepts Christ, which is a non-Catholic concept. Genesis 315 explained the matter quite well.

BTW, the Church says that Jews and others, for that matter, can be saved, though not easily, even if not formally converted to Catholicism.
 
tomarin said:
i feel it would be far preferable for many of my secular jewish friends to at least explore their jewish religious heritage and affirm god’s existence than to continue in what is essentially an atheistic existence.
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Nice post. At the risk of being a hair splitter, from my knowledge of secular Jewish friends in New York City, I’d say that most are more agnostic than atheist. It’s not that they are anti-God, they don’t seem to care one way or the other.
 
Richardols said:
Nice post. At the risk of being a hair splitter, from my knowledge of secular Jewish friends in New York City, I’d say that most are more agnostic than atheist. It’s not that they are anti-God, they don’t seem to care one way or the other.
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i think of that as casual or “lifestyle” atheism, as opposed to principled or militant atheism. unfortunately in terms of practical results it comes to much the same thing.
 
sea_oat said:
I went out and bought Ann Coulter’s new book last night. I’ve almost read the whole thing…just a few chapters left. :cool:

Ann Coulter has offended me a few times with some of her jokes about women, but I don’t freak out about it, because I know everything she says is tongue-in-cheek. Sheesh. She’s harmless. Some people need to lighten up.

And anyway, nothing she says will ever be as tasteless as what so many Jewish comedians, like Sarah Silverman, say about Christians.
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Ann Coulter IMHO does not shine with the light of Christ. What you find “tongue in cheek” I find uncharitable, revolting and offensive.

How about “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”

Certainly does not sound like Christ to me. We as Catholics should not be embracing this sort of stuff.

In Peace,
DS
 
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