Los Angeles Religious Education Conference 2006 / Dancers Deluxe

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I pray to Holy Jesus that He will allow and bless Pope Benedict XVI in his endeavors to get the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass back under control. Cardinal Mahoney needs to be reigned in and kept on a short leash. There is NO air of solemnity in the Masses pictured. It is more like entertainment for the audiance instead of giving the utmost glory to God. You are not suposed to attend mass to be entertained.

There has been a long standing trend for liberal priests/bishops to ignore the GIRM, USCCB, as well the Vatican in regaurds to the mass.

I hope that Pope Benedict fixes these problems.
 
joyfulmess said:
You are being totaly ridiculous.
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How so? It looks strikingly similar to me. The Nazi Salute “blessing” by lay people has got to go.
 
joyfulmess said:
Have any of you ever been to a youth conference??? The dancing was not part of the mass. It WAS part of the day’s events. Youth Conferences last all day and in our city, it’s a two day event. Yes they do have entertainment and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Does Cardinal Mahony normally put on vestments to watch Entertainment?

If so, he’d be a pretty easy one to spot at the movies. :rolleyes:
 
A second look and seeing that GLASS for what looks like a chalice has changed my opinion. I think its in violation.
 
May God forgive all of you for picking apart and judging so harshly at this beautiful youth conference. In the ministry of reaching out to our youth its important to be able to connect with them. They live in a different world than we did when we were growing up. Our church has to compete with so much just to get their attention. Being at a youth conference is great, it’s energzing, it’s a renewal of faith. Some of these teens don’t go to church regularly, because they are not living in a christian home, and parents are not setting a good example. The youth conference gives them an opportunity to get involved in the faith and thus a seed is planted. It has to be fun and exciting at the conference…we have to work hard to get these kids attention. Its a conference. A place of fellowship, filled with fun, faith, participation and acceptance.
 
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Brendan:
Does Cardinal Mahony normally put on vestments to watch Entertainment?

If so, he’d be a pretty easy one to spot at the movies. :rolleyes:
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I don’t know Cardinal Mahoney so I couldn’t tell you. But I think that question was more like a snide remark anway.

We have a youth conference coming up April 22 and 23. We will have Mass and we also will have entertainment, Christian rock bands, and singers from our local Catholic High school. We will also have tables set up full of literature and hand outs for them. Our msot Honorable and pro-life Bishop will be there and one of our guest speakers will be Father Frank Pavone. We are getting geared up for this annual event, last year we had over 1100 youth from here and surrounding small towns. These kids love the conference and they are coming back every year.

Don’t be so judgemental when it comes to these activities for our youth, if you don’t like it then don’t go and until you’ve been to one you are not qualified to say anything about it.
 
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Brendan:
Does Cardinal Mahony normally put on vestments to watch Entertainment?

If so, he’d be a pretty easy one to spot at the movies. :rolleyes:
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:rotfl: …exactly…
 
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m134e5:
I didn’t see very many Nigerians in those pictures. Mass is not a multicultural showcase.
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Culture is very much a part of the Mass in countries around the world. When JP11 went to Africa and said Mass he did not stop the dancers, realizing this was part of their tradition. The Mass of the Eastern Rite reflects a culture very different than ours.

We can agree to disagree, God bless.
 
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joyfulmess:
Don’t be so judgemental when it comes to these activities for our youth, if you don’t like it then don’t go and until you’ve been to one you are not qualified to say anything about it.
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I’ve seen enough and experienced enough of these fluff-n-stuff youth activities to recognize superfluosity when I see it…even on a grand scale that attracts hundreds or thousands of youth. :tsktsk:
Our youth do not need it. Maybe they want it but they certainly don’t need it. I say “Cut the cr##”
 
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contemplative:
I’ve seen enough and experienced enough of these fluff-n-stuff youth activities to recognize superfluosity when I see it…even on a grand scale that attracts hundreds or thousands of youth. :tsktsk:
Our youth do not need it. Maybe they want it but they certainly don’t need it. I say “Cut the cr##”
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How would you know…you’re in your “peri-menopausal” stage. You’re done thinking about what our youth need. You’re wondering if Mary went through menopause. That is utterly ridculous.

Our youth may not be important to you but they should be. it sinful the way you pick apart this youth conference, AND YES OUR KIDS DO NEED IT!
 
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frommi:
Let’s try some logic here…

The mass is a form of liturgy

All liturgies are not masses.

That dance was not necessarily happening in the context of a mass…

IF you recall, when the Pope visited St, Louis, they had an evening prayer service…and at that service…ta-da…they had dancers…dancers who were blessed by the Pope afterward.

So, before you start shooting your mouth off about abuses that aren’t abuses, perhaps you should get your facts straight
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But one should refelct on Cardinal Arinze’s comments:

Cardinal Responds to Questions on Liturgy

Why make the people of God suffer so much? Haven’t we enough problems already? Only Sunday, one hour, they come to adore God. And you bring a dance! Are you so poor you have nothing else to bring us? Shame on you! That’s how I feel about it.
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                **Somebody can say, "but the pope visited this county and the people danced". A moment: Did the pope arrange it? Poor Holy Father -- he comes, the people arranged. He does not know what they arranged. And somebody introduces something funny -- is the pope responsible for that? Does that mean it is now approved? Did they put in on the table of the Congregation for Divine Worship? We would throw it out! If people want to dance, they know where to go.**
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plato3:
Attended a beautiful Ordination of a Nigerian Catholic priest. Dance is very much part of their Masses. The African culture uses dance to praise God. They did not dance on the altar, but in the aisles.

Deacon Tony
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Read about African celebrations - it is not the same as Cardinal Arinze explains here.

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Cardinal Responds to Questions on Liturgy
Don’t misunderstand me, because when I said this at one place somebody said to me: “you are an African bishop. You Africans are always dancing. Why do you say we don’t dance?”
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                A moment -- we Africans are not always dancing! [laughter] 
                
                Moreover, there is a difference between those who come in procession at Offertory; they bring their gifts, with joy. There is a movement of the body right and left. They bring their gifts to God. That is good, really. And some of the choir, they sing. They have a little bit of movement. Nobody is going to condemn that. And when you are going out again, a little movement, it's all right. 
                
                But when you introduce wholesale, say, a ballerina, then I want to ask you what is it all about. What exactly are you arranging? When the people finish dancing in the Mass and then when the dance group finishes and people clap -- don't you see what it means? It means we have enjoyed it. We come for enjoyment. Repeat. So, there is something wrong. Whenever the people clap -- there is something wrong -- immediately. When they clap -- a dance is done and they clap. 
                
                It is possible that there could be a dance that is so exquisite that it raises people's minds to God, and they are praying and adoring God and when the dance is finished they are still wrapped up in prayer. But is that the type of dance you have seen? You see. It is not easy. 
                
                Most dances that are staged during Mass should have been done in the parish hall. And some of them are not even suitable for the parish hall.
 
joyfulmess said:
I don’t know Cardinal Mahoney so I couldn’t tell you. But I think that question was more like a snide remark anway.

Don’t be so judgemental when it comes to these activities for our youth, if you don’t like it then don’t go and until you’ve been to one you are not qualified to say anything about it.
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No, it was a legitimate question based on your statement about not being part of a Mass.

The picture of the dancing showed Cardinal Mahony wearing vestments.

So either it is part of Mass, it which case it’s a big no-no. Or Cardinal Mahony vests for entertainment purposes.

And yes, I have a LOT of experience with youth conferenceses. I used to RUN the Rainbow Conference in Detroit, which is the Archdiocese of Detroit’s largest youth conference.

When Cardinal Maida speaks at the convention, he would wear clerics. When he presided at Mass, he wore vestements.

And there wasn’t any dancing at Mass, so that’s probably why you don’t find any pictures of Cardinal Maida watching dancing in vestments.

Such pics are a dime a dozen for Cardinal Mahony
 
Hey People!! Dance is NOT a spiritual kinda thing in American culture. It’s ALL about sex. Have you ever watched BET or MTV??? Hello?? Dance is sexual movement in Western civilization. Period. I don’t think that would be appropriate for the MOST HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS!!!
 
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buffalo:
Read about African celebrations - it is not the same as Cardinal Arinze explains here.

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Cardinal Responds to Questions on Liturgy
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                 Don't misunderstand me, because when I said this at one place somebody said to me: "you are an African bishop. You Africans are always dancing. Why do you say we don't dance?" 
                
                A moment -- we Africans are not always dancing! [laughter] 
                
                Moreover, there is a difference between those who come in procession at Offertory; they bring their gifts, with joy. There is a movement of the body right and left. They bring their gifts to God. That is good, really. And some of the choir, they sing. They have a little bit of movement. Nobody is going to condemn that. And when you are going out again, a little movement, it's all right. 
                
                But when you introduce wholesale, say, a ballerina, then I want to ask you what is it all about. What exactly are you arranging? When the people finish dancing in the Mass and then when the dance group finishes and people clap -- don't you see what it means? It means we have enjoyed it. We come for enjoyment. Repeat. So, there is something wrong. Whenever the people clap -- there is something wrong -- immediately. When they clap -- a dance is done and they clap. 
                
                It is possible that there could be a dance that is so exquisite that it raises people's minds to God, and they are praying and adoring God and when the dance is finished they are still wrapped up in prayer. But is that the type of dance you have seen? You see. It is not easy. 
                
                Most dances that are staged during Mass should have been done in the parish hall. And some of them are not even suitable for the parish hall.
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What I saw was within his guidelines. They sang and moved in the aisles not on the altar. Just like he said nobody would condemn that. It was great. It was dance.
Deacon Tony
 
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plato3:
What I saw was within his guidelines. They sang and moved in the aisles not on the altar. Just like he said nobody would condemn that. It was great. It was dance.
Deacon Tony
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Not Western Dance.
 
Its called art. perhaps you’ve heard of it 😃 ? as a dancer myself, I think its awesome, talk about bringing the kids into the Church! They are not going to sit through a dry dull mass, like the one at my grandparents old church :yawn: :sleep: BORING! my church now has a seperate Charasmatic Youth Mass on Sunday evenings. I think it is phenominal! Kids are FLOCKING to this mass, its awesome to see so many kids on fire for our Lord Jesus.

By the way, specifically, thats called interperative dance, 😉 . the dresses are pretty 🙂

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What was the point of this? Is this Catholic? I wouldn’t be caught dead in my parish in the presence of dancing like this!!! :nope: :nope: :nope:
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I think that is AWESOME! We had a visiting priest come to our church a few weeks ago, he had everyone extend their hands out during the blessings, it was great! you really felt like you were a part of the mass, we also introduced ourselves to the people around us, he was so charasmatic and funny, he was really an amazing priest, perhaps he will come back on a more permanent base, that would be GREAT!

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Huh?
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TarAshly:
Its called art. perhaps you’ve heard of it 😃 ? as a dancer myself, I think its awesome, talk about bringing the kids into the Church! They are not going to sit through a dry dull mass, like the one at my grandparents old church :yawn: :sleep: BORING! my church now has a seperate Charasmatic Youth Mass on Sunday evenings. I think it is phenominal! Kids are FLOCKING to this mass, its awesome to see so many kids on fire for our Lord Jesus.

By the way, specifically, thats called interperative dance, 😉 . the dresses are pretty 🙂
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Could you please explain how the re-presentation of Calvary could ever be quote: :yawn: :sleep: BORING!??

How could the Death and Resurrection of our Lord presented before us could ever be added to, or made more ‘awesome’

Imagine yourself at the foot of the Cross (which you are at Mass), who among us would feel the need to break out into ‘iinterperative dance’
 
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