Los Angeles Religious Education Conference 2006 / Dancers Deluxe

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Oh i agree, I like Gregorian Chant, but I also like Christian Rock.
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Ace86:
Right TarAshly, but that statement does NOT mean that chant is to be banned.
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plato3:
Attended a beautiful Ordination of a Nigerian Catholic priest. Dance is very much part of their Masses. The African culture uses dance to praise God. They did not dance on the altar, but in the aisles.

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Fine for Africa, where they dance about everything. This isn’t Africa.
 
yes. But the Church teaches that not all musical styles are appropriate for the Liturgy. In fact, it teaches that chant is really really appropriate for the Liturgy and that it surpassess all other cultural musical traditions. I like Christian rock on the radio as long as its not hard rock or heavy metal because everyone knows their motto :“and upon our Rock the gates of Hell will prevail”

But opinions *in the end * are worthless. The Church teaches certain things, and all Catholics are obliged to obey those teachings.
 
I was a Catholic “youth” in the late '70s and early '80s. It amazes me that modern “youth” activities look exactly like the thin spiritual gruel I was presented with back then.

It amazes me that this pap is still being repackaged as if it is relevant to today’s youth. It must look so retro to them, like disco.

Those dancers look exactly like what was cutting edge in 1978. I bet the kids are whincing just as much as we are, but from embarassment.
 
it appears the dancing was done after the distribution of the holy eucharist and before the dismissal. in other words the silent period after personal prayer.

What seems to be the problem? why are you complaining? Clearly it was not a part of the mass. and therefore was not disruptive. it is merely afterdinner entertainment so to speak.

how is this any different from Good Friday’s passion play that the teens put on at all parishes at twelve noon. Really

ok so I was not there at the congress and probably would not go…I’ve been only one time and was bored. also, those big auditorium masses are way too long and boring. i yawn…i would have yawned at this one too…with or without the dance…doesn’t matter.

if you don’t like it then don’t spend your money by attending. its really not geared toward the general catholic population anyway. its gearted towards relgiious educators…it is not designed for the regular rank and file catholic and wasn’t meant to be.

if you’ve ever been on a long weekend retreat…then you would know that this was the entertainment portion at the end of a long and grueling day.
 
TarAshly said:
“When they want entertainment, they know where to go – parish hall, theater, presuming that their entertainment is acceptable from a moral theological point of view,” added the cardinal, 73, who this year celebrated the 40th anniversary of his episcopal ordination.

wait, now I am confused, is he Catholic or Epsicopalian?
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Episcopal means ‘related to bishop’. And ‘Episcopal Ordination’ is when when is ordained a Bishop.
 
Some of the kids that had been to the conference 5 years ago have started coming to church AND bringing along someone else. They are witnessing that being at the youth conference made them think about God and religion. So the seed was planted, that was the youth conference. The faith grew, that was GOD speaking to their heart.
**These conferences are an integral part of our community and it’s nothing less than amazing to see these kids with long hair and piercings and rebelious looks singing songs of worship and giving their testimony. Watching them participate in the mass, which also includes confession before. There is nothing more beautiful than seeing the Holy Spirit work in this capacity. Our youth lives in the culture of death and yes it takes a wake up call for some of them to come back to God where they belong. Pray for them. **MAY GOD BLESS ALL OUR YOUTH CONFERENCES AND OUR YOUTH THAT PARTICIPATE THEM.
 
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TarAshly:
You all are focusing on the wrong thing, look around that arena, dont you see all of those beautiful Catholic children there, together in communion, praising our Lord, learning about their faith, being proactive in the mass and blessings rather than text messaging, or gossiping or at home playing video games or running around a mall? they are in MASS! I think that that is something to be praised not belittled because they didnt do it *your *way. The youth are the ones who will take the reigns of this Church and carry the faith out. If we dont find a way to reach them, to connect to them like Our Holy Father Pope John Paul The Second, may he rest in peace, then the Church will die off. Why do you think JP2 tried so hard to reach the youth through events like World Youth Day?
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AMEN:blessyou:
 
joyfulmess said:
Some of the kids that had been to the conference 5 years ago have started coming to church AND bringing along someone else. They are witnessing that being at the youth conference made them think about God and religion. So the seed was planted, that was the youth conference. The faith grew, that was GOD speaking to their heart.
**These conferences are an integral part of our community and it’s nothing less than amazing to see these kids with long hair and piercings and rebelious looks singing songs of worship and giving their testimony. Watching them participate in the mass, which also includes confession before. There is nothing more beautiful than seeing the Holy Spirit work in this capacity. Our youth lives in the culture of death and yes it takes a wake up call for some of them to come back to God where they belong. Pray for them. **MAY GOD BLESS ALL OUR YOUTH CONFERENCES AND OUR YOUTH THAT PARTICIPATE THEM.
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No one is denying the power and workings of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit does not advocate liturgical abuse.
 
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Ace86:
No one is denying the power and workings of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit does not advocate liturgical abuse.
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There has never been any Liturgical abuse at any conference I’ve attended. I have been to some in the U. S and in Europe. All activities must be approved by the Bishop.
 
joyfulmess said:
There has never been any Liturgical abuse at any conference I’ve attended. I have been to some in the U. S and in Europe. All activities must be approved by the Bishop.
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That doesn’t mean that the bishop hasn’t approved a liturgical abuse.

Take a look at the picture of the deacon pouring wine into a glass chalice.

The use of glass has been ruled a liturgical abuse by the Vatican, yet it is being used in the presence of the bishop (+Manhony).

And if that was not actually wine, but the Consecrated Blood of Our Lord, the pouring of it is also a liturgical abuse, again per the Vatican.
 
Poor Cardinal Mahoney…he still thinks all of this is a good idea?
 
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Catholic29:
Nobody hits the nail on the head better than Cardinal Arinze…:yup:

If only Cardinal Mahony agreed…😦
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He doesn’t have to agree, just obey.
 
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Brendan:
That doesn’t mean that the bishop hasn’t approved a liturgical abuse.

Take a look at the picture of the deacon pouring wine into a glass chalice.

The use of glass has been ruled a liturgical abuse by the Vatican, yet it is being used in the presence of the bishop (+Manhony).

And if that was not actually wine, but the Consecrated Blood of Our Lord, the pouring of it is also a liturgical abuse, again per the Vatican.
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Actually, Cardinal Mahony granted an indult on the subject of the pouring of the consecrated blood last year…saying that at larger celebrations it was ok to pour the species during the Lamb of God.
 
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frommi:
Actually, Cardinal Mahony granted an indult on the subject of the pouring of the consecrated blood last year…saying that at larger celebrations it was ok to pour the species during the Lamb of God.
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Was that before or after the USCCB unsuccessfully attempted to block the reprobation of this (imprudent) practice? Still, I do not think his actions are officially considered an indult. Perhaps another word that differs by one letter…:rolleyes:

The norms clearly indicate that the best course of action is to not offer the chalice in such situations.
 
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msproule:
Was that before or after the USCCB unsuccessfully attempted to block the reprobation of this (imprudent) practice? Still, I do not think his actions are officially considered an indult. Perhaps another word that differs by one letter…:rolleyes:

The norms clearly indicate that the best course of action is to not offer the chalice in such situations.
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I’m just telling you that he granted an exception to the norm in his archdiocese after the practice was universally reprobated.

And besides, how would someone in an office in Rome know whether or not it was pastorally prudent to distribute the precious blood to a large number of people in Los Angeles?
 
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frommi:
I’m just telling you that he granted an exception to the norm in his archdiocese after the practice was universally reprobated.

And besides, how would someone in an office in Rome know whether or not it was pastorally prudent to distribute the precious blood to a large number of people in Los Angeles?
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Maybe because the Vicar of Christ on Earth is there. But, I sincerely doubt you buy that.
 
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johnnykins:
Maybe because the Vicar of Christ on Earth is there. But, I sincerely doubt you buy that.
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Hmmm…yeah, I have a problem with that since all Bishops are ‘Vicars of Christ’…and Jesus isn’t retired and is still present among us.
 
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frommi:
Actually, Cardinal Mahony granted an indult on the subject of the pouring of the consecrated blood last year…saying that at larger celebrations it was ok to pour the species during the Lamb of God.
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Per Canon Law, Indults on Vatican directives are only lawful when approved by the Vatican.

When has the Vatican approved +Mahony’s indult?
 
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