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[Julius_Caesar]

Which added a priesthood to mediate between God and Man

Did not Jesus give His Apostles power to act in His name?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

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[lanman87]

Did not Jesus give His Apostles power to act in His name?

The Apostles didn’t create the Priesthood.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

The Apostles didn’t create the Priesthood

Christ did. At the Last Supper.

http://tasbeha.org/content/hh_books/Priesthd/index.html

 

[lanman87]

Christ did. At the Last Supper.

No He didn’t. The Apostles didn’t have the office of priest in the same way the Levites did. They didn’t mediate between God and man. They introduced people to the Christ, who is the one who mediates between God and man.

We are all priest and Christ is our high priest. There is no intermediate priesthood. We have elders, overseers who are called by God and confirmed by the congregation as leaders, but they aren’t priest. They are teachers, preachers, and under shepherds of the Good Shepherd. Their job is to equip the saints to serve and bring Glory to Christ and oversee the ministry of the church. Not dispense grace to the faithful.

Grace comes by faith, not through a priest.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

No He didn’t. The Apostles didn’t have the office of priest in the same way the Levites did.

So “Do this in My Memorial is not clear?”

We are all priest and Christ is our high priest. There is no intermediate priesthood.

Except it’s not intermediate. Priests in the church have the duty of ministering to God’s people. Not every Christian has this.

We have elders, overseers who are called by God and confirmed by the congregation as leaders, but they aren’t priest

The word priest comes from the Greek word for elder.

Grace comes by faith, not through a priest

Yeah, Korah all over again.

 

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[mcq72]

So “Do this in My Memorial is not clear?”

Even the Passover did not need a priest, a lamb yes, but not a priest save the head of household, right?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Even the Passover did not need a priest, a lamb yes, but not a priest save the head of household, right?

Were not the Apostles in the exact same position in their churches?

 

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[mcq72]

The word priest comes from the Greek word for elder.

Well, priest and elder come from . presbyteuros/ presbyter. This is not Levitical priesthood name , which is heirus in the Greek. Heirus is the common word for OT priest. It is not used for ministers in NT. I believe the only time you find it in NT is when OT is referenced, or for Jewish priests before Pentecost .

As Catholic article suggested, a change in “law” is a change in " priesthood" ( or vice versa). Catholics do well by at least recognizing her priests are no longer Levitical but after Melchizadek. Yet she insists of having the same role for priests, as mediator in sacrifice, besides teacher, elder, overseer, which are better and God breathed defined as presbyter.

 

[lanman87]

Yeah, Korah all over again.

We are under the New Covenant. The New Covenant changed the way God relates to His People. The Veil has been torn in two and we are the Temple of God. We now have direct access to the holy of holies and no longer have need for a priest, a veil that separates the holy of holies from the people, or a temple to go to in order offer sacrifices over and over again.

Korah was under the Levitical law and violated that law. We are under the law of Grace, which does not have a separate priesthood. To say that we are like Korah is comparing apples to oranges.

 

[mcq72]

Yeah, Korah all over again

Korah was wrong only in timing ( ahead of his time), he tried to buck God’s " temporary" consequence and judgement on their sin as a people.

Those maintaining same priesthood today are also wrong in their timing, being behind the times, bucking God’s release of said consequence/ judgement via Calvary.

PS…actually Korah was also behind the time, citing God’s earlier promise of all being priests, forgetting announcement of forfeiture of such because of their sin, if I recall correctly.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

We are under the New Covenant. The New Covenant changed the way God relates to His People.

Yet the Apostles and their successors are to give us the allowance of food at the proper time. And we partake of Christ’s Body and Blood in the same way the Jews partook of the sacrifices in the Temple.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Yet she insists of having the same role for priests, as mediator in sacrifice,

God Himself prophesied it. “I will take some of them as priests and Levites.”

 

[Julius_Caesar]

So the supposition that sin for a Christian only causes loss of reward is foreign to the consistent understanding of Christianity.

 

[mcq72]

God Himself prophesied it. “I will take some of them as priests and Levites

Yes, but not to do formalities of incense and sin sacrifice, for then the sacrifice will be broken and contrite hearts, people offered up to the Redeemer from all nations. Preaching and teaching have always been priestly duties.

We Gentiles suffice as priests, as well as many Christian Jews as spiritual Levites…no more difference, or wall of seperation .

We all agree that not all are teachers and pastors, and are according not to the Law but to His giftings, His “taking”/ making.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Yes, but not to do formalities of incense and sin sacrifice

For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering; for my name is great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 1:11 NRSV-CI

The Church, especially Justin Martyr, has seen this as a reference to the Divine Liturgy of the Church every week.

We Gentiles suffice as priests, as well as many Christian Jews as spiritual Levites…

God said some of the Gentiles not all.

Even Calvin says this refers to the Church’s ministers.

Some expound this passage in a general manner, that the Gentiles shall be priests; that is, shall offer themselves to God, as Scripture frequently denominates all believers “a royal priesthood.” (1 Peter 2:9; Revelation 1:6.) But he appears to describe in an especial manner ministers and teachers whom the Lord also chose from among the Gentiles, and appointed to execute this distinguished office; that is, to preach the Gospel; such as Luke, Timothy, and others of the same class, who offered spiritual sacrifices to God by the Gospel.

 

[lanman87]

Yet the Apostles and their successors are to give us the allowance of food at the proper time.

We are all successors to the Apostles using different Spiritual gifts to advance His Kingdom. Some are elders, some are teachers, some are evangelist, some have the gift of service, and so on.

All true Christians “are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession, who proclaim the excellencies of Him who called us out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9. In the New Covenant all followers of Christ have replaced the Levites as Priest and Ministers.

But even then all Christians are given different gifts and responsibilities. We see this in 1 Corinthians 12: 4-7

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.

 

[mcq72]

God said some of the Gentiles not all.

Even Calvin says this refers to the Church’s ministers.

Lol…yes I also read the Calvin.

Agree and why i also posted:

“We all agree that not all are teachers and pastors, and are according not to the Law but to His giftings, His “taking”/ making.”

Calvin also stated this:

"Paul testifies that he discharged the office of the priesthood, when he slew men by the sword of the Gospel, “that they might be an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.” [Romans 15:16

It is not therefore a legal priesthood, and does not resemble that of the Papists, who say that they sacrifice Christ; [229] but it is the priesthood of the Gospel, by which men are slain, in order that, being renewed by the Spirit, they may be offered to the Lord. Thus, whomsoever we can gain to Christ, we offer in sacrifice, that they may be wholly consecrated to God. Moreover, every person sacrifices when he devotes and dedicates himself to God, and offers to him unreserved obedience; and this is the sacrifice which Paul calls “reasonable.” Romans 12:1"

Bengels:

Romans 15:16. Λειτουργὸν, ἱερουργοῦντα, προσφορὰ) This is allegorical. Jesus is the priest; Paul the servant of the priest; the Gentiles themselves are the oblation"