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Julius_Caesar
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No. All Christians aren’t bishops, so it’s clear you’re getting this from 500 years ago.
But we do not all minister to God’s people. This is what the Apostles and those who were ordained did.
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Julius_Caesar
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In opposition to 1500 years of Church teaching.
The shepherds of the Church do not just preach and teach. They also make the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross present and have been doing so for 2 millennia.
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lanman87
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That is what I said, some are called to be elders/presbyters/bishops. Not everyone has the same role, but we are all ministers of the gospel.
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lanman87
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I beg to differ. We are all called to use our spiritual gifts and talents to minister to others in some form or fashion. To be ordained is to be called into a special role by God as an overseer, but we are all priest who have direct access to the throne of Grace.
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lanman87
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That is Catholic teaching, but not Biblical teaching. We all “Do this in remembrance of me” when we partake in the Lord’s supper.
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Julius_Caesar
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The Bible you use comes from the Church, who has consistently seen Communion as receiving Christ’s sacrifice.
Paul says so here.
The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread. Consider the people of Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices partners in the altar? What do I imply then? That food sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons.
1 Corinthians 10:16-20 NRSV-CI
The Bible is clear on the sacrificial nature of the Eucharist. I will go with Scripture over you.
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Julius_Caesar
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We are all servants of Christ, but not all of us are stewards, or have the priestly duty of ministering to God.
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Julius_Caesar
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We are priests in one sense. I take it you did not read the link.
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Julius_Caesar
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Back to the original topic, what happens if we fail to heed this?
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mcq72
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We have 3 issues seperate yet conjoining:
1…the eucharist…is it transubstantiated
2…who can preside the eucharist
3…is the eucharist sacrificial in nature, re propitiating for sin
I would unfortunately here have to add a fourth…when were these differences disputed or began to be.
Maybe even the question the cradle to to grave proprietary dispenser of NT graces that is asumed by CC.
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Julius_Caesar
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Non sequitur. Sacrifices were made for thanksgiving as well as sin.
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mcq72
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Yes they were and much more, ever since the fall. Sacrifices could be very specific. Passover was very specific. The Last Supper remembrance is very specific (and not as a sacrifice itself). Was the Passover a sacrifice for sin? Don’t think so. Was it a covenant sacrifice ? I think so. The Passover memorial was setup before the actual event if I recall. The Supper was also. Covenant Sacrifice memorial.
Does one pray that the Passover will be acceptable to the Father, as some do the Eucharist?
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mcq72
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But none are heirus priests, but some prebyters, and all royal ministers/ priests.
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mcq72
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Yep…we believe and thusly eat. We remember when we first received and entered into covenant, a one time event. We do not offer up what we receive, but are thankful for what we have received. We do not pray that the Father will hopefully accept our offering up what He just gave us.
We don’t offer up and pray that it be accepted what has already been offered up and accepted and given to us 2000 years ago,…as you say, we receive that, that once given and accepted sacrifice in memorium, and give thanks accordingly.
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lanman87
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Yes, it is a cup of blessing (or as the NIV says “Thanksgiving”). The Bible never calls the Lord’s Supper a sacrifice. The cup and the bread represent Christ body and blood and we spiritually (even mystically) fellowship/participate (koinōnia) in the body and blood of Christ when we drink the cup and eat the bread. But we don’t actually eat the Body and Blood of Christ. Paul tells us in this passage that we partake take of “One Bread”. Not bread that has been changed by a priest into the actual Body of Christ. If Catholic teaching was Apostolic then Paul would have never said that “sharing in the body of Christ” is eating bread. Because Catholics believe it is no longer bread. Apparently Paul didn’t get the memo.
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lanman87
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If they have genuinely part of the elect and have been born again by the Spirit, then failure to “minister” results in lack of blessings on earth and rewards in Heaven. Ministering in the name of Jesus brings great joy to those who do it out of faith and love. Every time we miss an opportunity to display the love of God to others we miss out on both being blessed and blessing others.
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Julius_Caesar
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“Offering You Your own from Your own…”
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Julius_Caesar
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The same Bible says that we share in Christ’s Body the same way the Jews shared in the sacrifices at the altar.
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Julius_Caesar
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Julius_Caesar
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Let’s check that against Scripture.
And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and prudent manager whom his master will put in charge of his slaves, to give them their allowance of food at the proper time? **Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives. Truly I tell you, he will put that one in charge of all his possessions. But if that slave says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and if he begins to beat the other slaves, men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour that he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and put him with the unfaithful.
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Luke 12:42-46 NRSV-CI
It’s not just loss of rewards that unfaithful Christians face, it’s being counted with the faithless.
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