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lanman87
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And the Demons believe there is a God.
Faith doesn’t mean belief alone. In means trust in, to submit to. Balaam new God existed and even experience the miraculous, yet he didn’t have faith.
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Faith doesn’t mean belief alone. In means trust in, to submit to. Balaam new God existed and even experience the miraculous, yet he didn’t have faith.
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Throwawayaccount1
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What is the need for justification?
" Justification " involves the reasons why someone holds a belief that one should hold based on one’s current evidence. Justification is a property of beliefs insofar as they are held blamelessly. In other words, a justified belief is a belief that a person is entitled to hold.
There’s two definitions of faith.
" Justification " involves the reasons why someone holds a belief that one should hold based on one’s current evidence. Justification is a property of beliefs insofar as they are held blamelessly. In other words, a justified belief is a belief that a person is entitled to hold.
There’s two definitions of faith.
- complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
“this restores one’s faith in politicians” - strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
“bereaved people who have shown supreme faith”
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Throwawayaccount1
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Well than by your definition I have more faith than you because I submit to the Catholic Church.
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Julius_Caesar
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That’s justification.
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ArchStanton
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“These things I have written to you who BELIEVE in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God”. (1 John 5:13) [BELIEVE – verb…doing…obedience…not a one-time event]
What things have you written John? [the first 4 chapters…]
IF we walk in the light
IF we acknowledge our sins
IF anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
IF what you heard from the beginning REMAINS in you, then you will remain in the Son and in the Father.
etc… [about 21 IF’s]
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lanman87
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Yep, and all of those If’s are evidences of and fruit of belief.
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lanman87
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Is faith the same thing as Baptism?
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ArchStanton
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IF what you heard from the beginning REMAINS in you , then you will remain in the Son and in the Father.
Believe - obedience
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lanman87
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Agreed, the way we can know we have eternal life is if we are bearing the fruit and evidence of faithfulness. Which includes obedience, love, confession, perseverance and so forth. It is my understanding that the Catholic Church holds that even if you are producing the fruit and evidence of a living and active faith that you still can’t be sure that if you died (while producing the fruit) that you have eternal life.
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lanman87
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Well, I’ve always said it take more faith to be Catholic. Because you don’t just have faith in Christ and rely on Him for your salvation, you must have faith that the church is infallible. That the churches traditions are the traditions handed down by the Apostles and that no other traditions ever became part of church tradition that is now taught. You have to have faith that the fallible men who made up the Church Councils were able to come to infallible conclusions.
So yes, as a Catholic you have to have more faith, because you have to have faith in men.
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ArchStanton
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1Jn 5:13 says, “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life .”
‘know’ - in Greek is ‘ eidete ’… which means ‘confidence’
‘I know I am going to get a 100% on my test’.
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Julius_Caesar
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Is conviction the same as faith?
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Julius_Caesar
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You can’t judge that. Only God is the judge. Even Paul had to worry about being disqualified, so how much more so us?
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lanman87
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I don’t think that is the correct usage. I think the more correct translation of Know is to perceive or recognize or understand.
The exact same usage of the word is used in Matthew 9:6, Mark 2:10, Luke 5:24, Ephesians 6:21, 1 John 2:29 as well as 1 John 5:13. Those are the only exact usages of eidete that I can find in the New Testament.
Ephesians 6:21 21 So that you also may know how I am and what I am doing, Tychicus the beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord will tell you everything.
Matthew 9:6 6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he then said to the paralytic—“Rise, pick up your bed and go home.” The Mark and Luke passages are the same.
1 John 2:29 If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.
None of those uses render eidete as having confidence but means perception or understanding which is a much stronger usage than confidence. We don’t just have confidence that Christ can forgive sins(which gives a possibility that He can’t if our confidence is wrong), we have an understanding and knowledge, an assurance, that He can forgive sins.
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lanman87
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Except John says that we can Know…
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ArchStanton
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1 Jn 5:14 – the exact next verse – says, “ And this is the confidence (eidete) which we have in him that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us.”
1 Jn 5:15 “And if we know (eidete) that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know (eidete) that we have obtained the requests made of him.”
Do we have ‘absolute certainty’ that we get whatever we ask for in prayer?
If I were to die right now, I have confidence that I would go to heaven… having ‘absolute certainty’ is for God to judge.
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lanman87
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Do you honestly thing Paul was worried about going to Hell?
The same person that said this
Yes, and I will rejoice, 19 for I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, 20 as it is my eager expectation and hope that I will not be at all ashamed, but that with full courage now as always Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or by death. 21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. 23 I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. 24 But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account.
and said " But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that he is able to guard until that day what has been entrusted to me"
Do those sound like words of someone who doesn’t know they have eternal life?
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lanman87
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According to Strongs the word for Confidence is parrēsia in 5:14 not eidete.
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lanman87
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However, after finding a better online source it appears that if you use the root word for eidete (edio) or odio that are hundreds of usages which can mean all kinds of things.
However, I went back and found why it only listed those verses. Those are the versus to use that particular parsing. Perfect Active Subjunctive 2nd Person Plural
However, I went back and found why it only listed those verses. Those are the versus to use that particular parsing. Perfect Active Subjunctive 2nd Person Plural
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ArchStanton
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And others have ‘confidence’ [eidete]. If you look at the whole verse that you mentioned earlier, that verse is not so plain and simple.
things written earlier in the first 4 chapters [IF’s]
believe [action, verb, doing, obedience, … not one time]
know [‘eidete’ not with certainty]
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