(Luke 6:46) "Why do you call me, 'Lord,Lord' and not do what I say?"

[Giver]

montanaman:

Thanks, but he has. Might want to try some atheist or militant anti-Catholic forums. I’m pretty sure you’ll find people there who don’t know Jesus.

Too many people here are already well on their way in the spiritual walk with Jesus, and too many have exposed your many, many errors. So, I’m just going to assume it’s vanity that keeps you coming back here.

I haven’t found many people on this forum that confess that they don’t sin. If a person sins they don’t know God. (1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

 

[Giver]

montanaman:

Thanks, but he has. Might want to try some atheist or militant anti-Catholic forums. I’m pretty sure you’ll find people there who don’t know Jesus.

Too many people here are already well on their way in the spiritual walk with Jesus, and too many have exposed your many, many errors. So, I’m just going to assume it’s vanity that keeps you coming back here.

No one has ever shown me where I’m in error Scripturally; I get a lot of Catholic Church teachings that make Scripture say things that it doesn’t say, which of course you say tells me I’m wrong, but really all I am is in disagreement with some Catholic teachings.

 

[thistle]

Giver:

No one has ever shown me where I’m in error Scripturally; I get a lot of Catholic Church teachings that make Scripture say things that it doesn’t say, which of course you say tells me I’m wrong, but really all I am is in disagreement with some Catholic teachings.

Every poster in all your threads have shown where you are in error but you are too arrogant to admit it. Re-read all your threads!!

 

[Giver]

Well, it seems many of you feel judged by what I Have written, and it is apparent that you think I’m wrong because I say the Church is doing some things wrong. You should know the Church was doing things wrong during the life time of the apostles, and Jesus had to tell a prophet to give the Churches a warning.

In Revelation John tells us that Jesus pointed out many of the Churches errors. If the Church was already making errors, what makes you think that it isn’t still doing so?
Why don’t you go to Jesus and ask him if all you’re being taught, by the Church, about God is right.

 

[St.Eric]

Giver:

I haven’t found many people on this forum that confess that they don’t sin. If a person sins they don’t know God. (1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

I may be entirely wrong but based on your posts Sir I would have to believe that at the very least you have issues surrounding the sin of Presumption. God Bless you Robert. I pray the Lord will penetrate your heart and make the scales fall from your eyes. Glory be to God!

 

[mlchance]

Giver:

No one has ever shown me where I’m in error Scripturally…

Look no more, false prophet:

Giver:

I haven’t found many people on this forum that confess that they don’t sin. If a person sins they don’t know God.

So, then, you’re saying you don’t know God. After all, “This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.” – 1 John 1:5-10.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Giver]

St.Eric:

I may be entirely wrong but based on your posts Sir I would have to believe that at the very least you have issues surrounding the sin of Presumption. God Bless you Robert. I pray the Lord will penetrate your heart and make the scales fall from your eyes. Glory be to God!

Wow! I suppose you think what you wrote is profound. You didn’t say anything. If you think your so right and I’m wrong show me.

 

[Giver]

mlchance:

Look no more, false prophet:

So, then, you’re saying you don’t know God. After all, “This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.” – 1 John 1:5-10.

– Mark L. Chance.

You should read the rest of John, and what John said is: if any one says they have never sinned. Yes everyone has sinned, but after a person gets to know God they no longer sin.

(1 John 1:8-10) “If we say we have no sin in us, we are deceiving ourselves and refusing to admit the truth; but if we acknowledge our sins, then God who is faithful and just will forgive our sins and purify us from everything that is wrong. To say that we have never sinned is to call God a liar and to show that his word is not in us.”

 

[Giver]

thistle:

Every poster in all your threads have shown where you are in error but you are too arrogant to admit it. Re-read all your threads!!

So now I’m arrogant, is that because I dare to disagree with you? I have read my threads and why don’t you show me Scripturally where I said any thing wrong.

 

[montanaman]

Giver:

So now I’m arrogant, is that because I dare to disagree with you? I have read my threads and why don’t you show me Scripturally where I said any thing wrong.

No, you’re arrogant because you presume to tell us what’s really in our hearts without even a basic understanding of Catholic beliefs. And like all fanatics, you simply ignore whatever contradicts you in order to never be proven wrong.

You worship yourself, bud, not God.

 

[montanaman]

By the way, “Giver,” shouldn’t you be shaking the dust from your feet and moving on by now? It’s clear you’re not making any converts here. In your world, we’re rejecting the gospel. I think you’re only sticking around to feed your own vanity.

 

[mlchance]

Giver:

You should read the rest of John, and what John said is: if any one says they have never sinned. Yes everyone has sinned, but after a person gets to know God they no longer sin.

(1 John 1:8-10) “If we say we have no sin in us, we are deceiving ourselves and refusing to admit the truth; but if we acknowledge our sins, then God who is faithful and just will forgive our sins and purify us from everything that is wrong. To say that we have never sinned is to call God a liar and to show that his word is not in us.”

John’s own words, conveniently ignored, but bold-faced by yours truly, refute you.

Everyone (including me): Please stop feeding the trolls. This board has an Ignore feature that does wonders for clearing up the air pollution.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[montanaman]

mlchance:

John’s own words, conveniently ignored, but bold-faced by yours truly, refute you.

Everyone (including me): Please stop feeding the trolls. This board has an Ignore feature that does wonders for clearing up the air pollution.

– Mark L. Chance.

Compared to the trolls on the other board I frequent, Giver isn’t so bad. Trust me.

 

[mlchance]

montanaman:

Compared to the trolls on the other board I frequent, Giver isn’t so bad. Trust me.

Isn’t that like excusing Richard Speck because his body count wasn’t as high as John Wayne Gacy’s.



Well, if you’ve got the stomach for dealing with Giver’s heretical drivel and cognitive dissonance, more power to you. Maybe you’ll do some good.



– Mark L. Chance.

 

[montanaman]

mlchance:

Isn’t that like excusing Richard Speck because his body count wasn’t as high as John Wayne Gacy’s.



Well, if you’ve got the stomach for dealing with Giver’s heretical drivel and cognitive dissonance, more power to you. Maybe you’ll do some good.



– Mark L. Chance.

No, the only good I believe I can do is to drive him away. Over the last few years I’ve come to realize that human beings aren’t rational. They can believe whatever they want no matter how glaring their contradictions or hypocrisy. I don’t exclude myself from this, but I hope and pray I never become so obtuse that I believe I’m a sinless prophet of God.

 

[Giver]

montanaman:

No, you’re arrogant because you presume to tell us what’s really in our hearts without even a basic understanding of Catholic beliefs. And like all fanatics, you simply ignore whatever contradicts you in order to never be proven wrong.

You worship yourself, bud, not God.

Montanaman, You really don’t know how much I know and understand about the Catholic Church.

I am a man, who grew up a Catholic. Went to Catholic schools and from the age of twenty-five to forty went to Mass and Communion almost every day. At age thirty-eight Jesus started calling me to His ministry, using many signs and even miracles. I was married at the time He started calling me, and I already had two children. Being a minister, to me, meant being a Catholic priest. So I would say yes to God, but instead of asking Jesus what He wanted me to do, I would assume what He had for me to do. This went on for two years, and then my third child was born blind. We already had a child with Downs Syndrome. When the baby came down with an eye infection and our doctor wouldn’t see her until the first of the week, my wife just broke down in a very heart felt prayer, and asked God to heal her. She was healed, both the eye infection and her eyesight. Our baby is now twenty-eight and has twenty/fifteen vision, where the rest of us need glasses. Soon after this Jesus let me know that I was to give Him an answer, I said yes. But I wanted to know for sure, if it was really Jesus who was calling me. I asked to be given the gift of tongues that night. I spoke in tongues for the first time that night. Next I asked Jesus to let me know what seminary I was to attend? He told me “NO! Don’t read about me I’ll teach you about me.” Then the Holy Spirit begin asking me to give my life to Jesus, and when I was about ready to give Jesus my life, the Holy Spirit let me know that if I did I would lose everything I owned. I lost everything I owned.

 

[trogiah]

Giver:

No one has ever shown me where I’m in error Scripturally; I get a lot of Catholic Church teachings that make Scripture say things that it doesn’t say, which of course you say tells me I’m wrong, but really all I am is in disagreement with some Catholic teachings.

As you have pointed out, the leaders of the Church were flawed from the very beginning. Immediately after Jesus promised to give Peter the keys of the kingdom, He called Peter a Satan… But he didn’t take the promise back.

If you are in disagreement with particular teachings, perhaps you should realize that many Catholics are in disagreement with teachings of the Catholic Church. Discussions between such Catholics occur frequently on this forum.

If you were to dispute a particular teaching instead of assuming that every Catholic agrees with all the wrong teachings and none of the right teachings, you might generate more productive discussion.

I think that anyone that treasures the Scriptures you have quoted as much as you appear to, can’t be that bad, but you should consider altering your approach

peace

Jim

 

[montanaman]

Giver:

Montanaman, You really don’t know how much I know and understand about the Catholic Church.

I am a man, who grew up a Catholic. Went to Catholic schools and from the age of twenty-five to forty went to Mass and Communion almost every day. At age thirty-eight Jesus started calling me to His ministry, using many signs and even miracles. I was married at the time He started calling me, and I already had two children. Being a minister, to me, meant being a Catholic priest. So I would say yes to God, but instead of asking Jesus what He wanted me to do, I would assume what He had for me to do. This went on for two years, and then my third child was born blind. We already had a child with Downs Syndrome. When the baby came down with an eye infection and our doctor wouldn’t see her until the first of the week, my wife just broke down in a very heart felt prayer, and asked God to heal her. She was healed, both the eye infection and her eyesight. Our baby is now twenty-eight and has twenty/fifteen vision, where the rest of us need glasses. Soon after this Jesus let me know that I was to give Him an answer, I said yes. But I wanted to know for sure, if it was really Jesus who was calling me. I asked to be given the gift of tongues that night. I spoke in tongues for the first time that night. Next I asked Jesus to let me know what seminary I was to attend? He told me “NO! Don’t read about me I’ll teach you about me.” Then the Holy Spirit begin asking me to give my life to Jesus, and when I was about ready to give Jesus my life, the Holy Spirit let me know that if I did I would lose everything I owned. I lost everything I owned.

I’m sorry for your troubles, and I’m glad your son was healed, but what’s that got to do with anything? You sound like you were a pew-sitter until you had what began as a real conversion experience before vanity took over and you created your own God.

But whatever. I’m less concerned with that. Your testimony is meaningless. I’ll believe the Church Christ established and continue worshipping him–not some anonymous guy who thinks he’s a sinless prophet.

 

[St.Eric]

I have been a member on the forums for a few months now. I definetly see one trend. There are a few non-catholics around here that have the same claim. It is getting kind of humorous really. It is the same old formula. "I have been a Catholic for XXX number of years and didnt really FEEL anything in the church. Then I had a conversion experience, etc, etc, yada yada. " And then they really begin to betray themselves when they post. There is no understanding of the faith and morals of the church. This becomes clear after a few posts.Anyway. Just be honest people. YOu don’t have to try and keep up a charade of “I was Catholic”. just let us know where you are really coming from. Giver (Robert), be honest. Let us know that you are the Pope for the church of Giver and you had a St.John like Revelation that called you to found Christ’s true church on Giver the Rock. At least we can have an honest exchange this way. Thank you.

 

[Giver]

trogiah:

As you have pointed out, the leaders of the Church were flawed from the very beginning. Immediately after Jesus promised to give Peter the keys of the kingdom, He called Peter a Satan… But he didn’t take the promise back.

If you are in disagreement with particular teachings, perhaps you should realize that many Catholics are in disagreement with teachings of the Catholic Church. Discussions between such Catholics occur frequently on this forum.

If you were to dispute a particular teaching instead of assuming that every Catholic agrees with all the wrong teachings and none of the right teachings, you might generate more productive discussion.

I think that anyone that treasures the Scriptures you have quoted as much as you appear to, can’t be that bad, but you should consider altering your approach

peace

Jim

Jim, when Jesus started teaching me and I saw that there was much of what I was being taught which didn’t go along with what I had been taught by the Church, I had a hard time and asked Jesus how I could stay submitted to the Church and not accept it’s teachings? Jesus told me not to summit, but to co-operate with. Letting me know I was no longer under the Churches authority, and I was to help not fight. My job is to give a word to his people in and out of the Catholic Church.