Luther-Bashing is Anti-Catholic

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Those who are squishy are those that don’t follow the main purpose of ecumenism in the first place. To lead all the separated to, or back to, the Catholic Church.
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Do you think the leaders in the Catholic aren’t doing that? Do you think Cardinal Kasper and Pope Francis are squishy? Was Pope Benedict?
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I’m talking about those who are squishy.
 
Luther bashing is the happy hunting ground of Catholic minds that have lost their balance (vision, charity, faith, identity, Spirit…). They hang out on the Internet mainly - rad trads, rad cradles (high and low) (is rad trad ok to say I can never remember) and converts from Protestantism, usually hardcore fundamentalism, evangelicalism, not Lutheranism. And yes, it diverges wildly from Vatican II and the recent Popes, including St. John Paul II.
 
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Depends on what you mean by “rad trad”. Not all Catholics who are interested in what would be considered Traditional Catholicism are radical, so if you’re referring to those types, it’s not appropriate. “Rad trad” is generally directed towards sedevacantist types who believes there have been no valid popes since Vatican II and (or that Pope Francis is illegitimate) and that the Ordinary Form of Mass is invalid.
 
I do not deny, nor have you ever insinuated, that I denied that we should seek reconciliation between the Lutheran Church and the Catholic Church. What I must say though, is that Luther has shown a vehement hatred towards the Church, and decided to create a Church of his own. We should say that his acts against the Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, including against the Papacy, are not justified. We should move for reconciliation, but we must not appease dangerous idealogies contrary to Catholic dogma.

Luther’s character has been bashed many times, I will say that is not right. However, what I will not say is wrong, is pointing out what was done by Martin Luther, that is recorded in history.

Do you agree?
 
I agree that Luther said many angry, spiteful things against the Catholic Church. I also believe the Catholic Church treated Luther in what can only be called an angry, spiteful way. Both sides are guilty. This has been acknowledged by all recent Popes and leaders of the Lutheran Churches. I personally am a little wary of the unity ecumenical push - I say this having reread this 1983 JP II homily just now. Just tolerance, respect and co-existence would be the better, healthier, holier option for Catholics and nonCatholics, including Lutherans is my personal view. But I see absolutely no value in reopening old wounds; I think it is evidence of malice, decked out as service to the RCC or Protestantism or to whatever by whoever engages in this kind of vitriolic polemics. I think this is about as close to agreement as we are going to get. Good practice for the Christian in us all. The new ecumenism. 🙂
 
I would rather say pray for repose of his soul. But I doubt that presenting his character is bashing him or is anti- Catholic.
 
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But I see absolutely no value in reopening old wounds; I think it is evidence of malice, decked out as service to the RCC or Protestantism or to whatever by whoever engages in this kind of vitriolic polemics. I think this is about as close to agreement as we are going to get. Good practice for the Christian in us all. The new ecumenism.
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I agree wholeheartedly. What I would say as a warning to the Catholic side (which I am a part of) is to love the Lutherans but to be wary of their doctrines
 
Lol ‘bashing’.

I would have hit him so hard he ended up in the next millenia.

Zero time for that heretics nonsense.
 
Agreed! Lutherans and Catholics share a common Augustinian heritage. Confessional Lutherans and Catholics have a lot in common, especially in today’s secular culture. I don’t see responsible, devout Confessional Lutherans publicly deriding the Pope or Catholics, trying to convert them, attacking the RCC on your front porch with pamphlets in suits, telling us we are heretics. We should treat them with the same respect. (mind you I don’t spend a lot time on the Internet either - which seems to work wonders for my Christian nonbashing disposition)
 
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What we both must agree, is that heresy is not to be tolerated. We cannot have scandal
 
JonNC said:
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I’m talking about those who are squishy.
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Who are? Give an example.
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Those who deny or dumb down

paragraph 14 in Lumen Gentium http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...s/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

“the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. **Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.**”
 
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JonNC said:
No name yet? Someone in the Vatican? Someone on the PCPCU?
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Take you pick of names. Catholics who left the Church. Catholics who lost their ability to teach in Catholic schools because of their views, etc etc
 
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