Lying to a Spouse

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Ah, maybe there’s the rub!? Perhaps sometimes when people ask questions, they aren’t necessarily looking for honest answers, but just polite answers, which I do think some people do. For example, “How are you?” is often asked as just being polite, and the response can simply be “great!” even if you aren’t doing so great.
 
Perhaps sometimes when people ask questions, they aren’t necessarily looking for honest answers, but just polite answers, which I do think some people do. For example, “How are you?” is often asked as just being polite, and the response can simply be “great!” even if you aren’t doing so great.
Are you talking about equivocations/amphibologies? For example, when someone in the checkout line asks “How are you today?” are they asking how you are physically, spirtitually, or are they just wondering if you found what items you were looking for? Since there are several different interpratations you pick what you think they are most likely inquiring about.

You might want to read about mental reservations here:
newadvent.org/cathen/10195b.htm
 
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migurl:
Why would you WANT to lie to your spouse>?
I agree with OrionHunter… when your spouse asks “Does my butt look big in these pants ?” … :bigyikes:

She definitely does not want to hear that she needs to exercise a lot more !!! :nope:

I’ve been there, done that… unless you want your head handed back to you on a platter, tell the white lie and hope she believes you !!! :crying:
 
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wcknight:
I agree with OrionHunter… when your spouse asks “Does my butt look big in these pants ?” … :bigyikes:

She definitely does not want to hear that she needs to exercise a lot more !!! :nope:

I’ve been there, done that… unless you want your head handed back to you on a platter, tell the white lie and hope she believes you !!! :crying:
There’s a difference between “You need to exercise” and “That particular outfit is unflatering, but I really like this other dress.”

Also, I have already told my husband (we’ve been married a little over a week) that I want him to help keep me active, walking everyday, and let me know if I haven’t been doing that enough.

Of course, I hope he will put it gently and understand that some people make comments like this to demean others. My mother struggles with a weight problem, and before my parents divorced, my father made many hurtful and just plain mean comments about it. My father was wrong to act the way he did. My mother needed love and encouragement to help address her problem, and I would like my husband to do that for me if it is ever necessary.
 
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wcknight:
I agree with OrionHunter… when your spouse asks “Does my butt look big in these pants ?” … :bigyikes:

She definitely does not want to hear that she needs to exercise a lot more !!! :nope:

I’ve been there, done that… unless you want your head handed back to you on a platter, tell the white lie and hope she believes you !!! :crying:
Also, no man should have to fear having his head handed back to him on a platter or any other negative/angry response from his wife if he responds to her questions with honesty, charity and compassion.
 
In the beatitudes, Jesus says “blessed are the peacemakers”…

…it’s morally right to tell your wife that her butt does not look fat in those jeans! 🙂

Pete
 
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lifeisbeautiful:
Good answers Madia. While I was cooking dinner I was thinking about what that priest said and I thought the same thing, did he say to lie to his spouse about it, or just not to bring it up. I know some times its more difficult to live with a secret than to take it off your chest, so maybe the priest was just saying to not volunteer the info since it would only serve to alleviate the guilt and would just cause pain to the spouse. Plus, if ones spouse has an affair and one becomes aware of it and knows it for certain, their lying and denying it will only cause a larger wedge nand more pain.
This priest told me this about two years ago and the more I think about it I believe that may be what he meant. When he said it I was shocked and I guess I had an expression on my face that showed I was suprised at what he said. He immediately stopped what he was saying and said, “Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to say that someone should live a lie”. I still was surprised at what he said and was a bit upset to say anything back. But in my mind I said to myself, “How could you say that because a lie is a lie.” But now that it was pointed out here he might have meant that it shouldn’t be brought up voluntarily. While still not the best answer because I believe by not bringing it up you would be deceiving your spouse into thinking you are someone you really are not. I think the spouse should be told and both spouses should trust in God’s grace to bring them through the difficult times that will probably follow once it’s out in the open. However, I also understand that some spouses would rather not know so I could also see the side of the people who suggest that it not be brought up unless asked.
 
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Pug:
There aren’t! I agree there are no minor affairs. However, on this site in the past, I have seen this topic come up, and back then it seemed (to me) there were too many folks who would argue that so long as it happened only once and wasn’t ongoing, then you ought never let on that it happened, you’d only just hurt him/her “needlessly”. That’s why I had those quotes around “minor” and again now around the word “needlessly”, in memory of those folks. In my opinion, there is not some exception for the brief affair.
I agree completely. There is no such thing as a “minor” affair. An affair is an affair whether or not it was a one-time thing, strickly emotional, or full-blown (emotional and physical). Too many people try to blurr the lines and think that there are such things as “minor” affairs.
 
Lying is never morally acceptable. One’s culpability may be mitigated by circumstances (I’d imagine it would be quite tempting to lie if telling the truth would probably lead to my death.)

Does God lie?

Does the Bible ever indicate to us that lying is a good solution to our problems?

Is it not Jesus who is “the Truth” and the Devil who is known as the deceiver, “Father of Lies”?

I would contend that lying reveals some measure of a lack of trust in God.
 
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Pumpkin:
I am of the belief that if a person is not prepared to receive an answer they should not ask the question.
Great point. Don’t ask unless you can accept any answer. I think alot of times people ask questions merely to receive a pat on the back. They don’t expect a negative answer. For example, “How’s my cooking?” Does anyone actually expect the person being asked to say, “It’s terrible.”?
 
Mt19:26:
Great point. Don’t ask unless you can accept any answer. I think alot of times people ask questions merely to receive a pat on the back. They don’t expect a negative answer. For example, “How’s my cooking?” Does anyone actually expect the person being asked to say, “It’s terrible.”?
And whether it’s true or not, answering “your cooking is great, thank you” is a perfectly acceptable way to show gratitude for an effort made out of love.

Is anyone really advocating that the correct response is, “I very much dislike your cooking, and to be honest, since the charade is now over, I’m going to stop eating it and probably order a pizza because I’m still hungry”…just because it’s true?

Pete
 
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Prometheum_x:
I would contend that lying reveals some measure of a lack of trust in God.
Another good point. I would tend to believe most people who lie about serious matters like adultery lie because of the fear that should they reveal the truth it would bring pain and suffering to their marriage. If they trusted completely in God they would know that they should not be fearful because God would provide all the graces necessary to get through the rough times that likely will follow.
 
But now that it was pointed out here he might have meant that it shouldn’t be brought up voluntarily. While still not the best answer because I believe by not bringing it up you would be deceiving your spouse into thinking you are someone you really are not.
When the sin of adultery is absolved and the person goes forth and sins no more is that person still an adulterer?
I think the spouse should be told and both spouses should trust in God’s grace to bring them through the difficult times that will probably follow once it’s out in the open. However, I also understand that some spouses would rather not know so I could also see the side of the people who suggest that it not be brought up unless asked
Prudence may be the best guide. For example, say a mother doesn’t want her children to play baseball in the house. When the mother is on a trip, the children go ahead anyway and end up breaking a vase. They confess their sins to their father and he buys a new vase and takes a little out of their allowance each week to pay for it. When the mother comes home, would it be prudent of the father to mention the broken vase or just let it go? Would knowing that her children broke the vase in any way help the mother or only cause her more stress?

While you can’t say that it’s right in every case of adultery not to confess you sin to your spouse there may be situations where the most prudent thing to do is to not bring it up and resolve to be a better spouse from that day forward.

A question the adulter might want to ask is “Am I confessing this sin to my spouse to help them or only to alleviate the guilt that I am feeling?”.
I think alot of times people ask questions merely to receive a pat on the back.
Wouldn’t this be a sin pride/vanity? When cooking something for someone, shouldn’t you be cooking for the good of the people you are serving, not merely cooking to showcase your culinery skills?
 
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Pete2:
And whether it’s true or not, answering “your cooking is great, thank you” is a perfectly acceptable way to show gratitude for an effort made out of love.
Pete
However, it’s a lie and a lie is never acceptable. One could say they like the cooking even though they don’t like it that much and not be lying. I’ve said I’ve liked people’s cooking when asked even though it wasn’t something that was that great. It wasn’t something I would prefer to eat again but I liked it enough to continue eating it. If they ask something more specific like, “Is my cooking as good as your mother’s?” or something like that it becomes harder to answer without lying because the question is more specific. “How’s my cooking?” is a very vague question that could be answered easily without lying.
 
Mt19:26:
However, it’s a lie and a lie is never acceptable. One could say they like the cooking even though they don’t like it that much and not be lying. I’ve said I’ve liked people’s cooking when asked even though it wasn’t something that was that great. It wasn’t something I would prefer to eat again but I liked it enough to continue eating it. If they ask something more specific like, “Is my cooking as good as your mother’s?” or something like that it becomes harder to answer without lying because the question is more specific. “How’s my cooking?” is a very vague question that could be answered easily without lying.
Honesty doesn’t require using a sledgehammer to apply it. You could even say something like,

“Thank you for making dinner. It’s great to spend time eating at home with you instead of going out. I like your cooking. Have you considered trying this recipe with carrots instead of beets?”

I would imagine that if in general you keep quiet about your ideal food preferences (or find some other time to bring them up) and emphasize your appreciation and gratitude, you will have the freedom to let the other know when you really don’t like something.
 
Mt19:26:
However, it’s a lie and a lie is never acceptable. One could say they like the cooking even though they don’t like it that much and not be lying. I’ve said I’ve liked people’s cooking when asked even though it wasn’t something that was that great. It wasn’t something I would prefer to eat again but I liked it enough to continue eating it. If they ask something more specific like, “Is my cooking as good as your mother’s?” or something like that it becomes harder to answer without lying because the question is more specific. “How’s my cooking?” is a very vague question that could be answered easily without lying.
Mathew 19, in my mind, you are not telling the truth if you say something (while technically true as in “I like your cooking” because you like it more than if you had to eat dog ****) when you know the person on the other end will reach an inference that is not the same as your intent. It is still a deception. While I admit that I am guilty of these semantic games too, we should decieve ourselves that it isn’t an untruth.
 
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Madia:
When the sin of adultery is absolved and the person goes forth and sins no more is that person still an adulterer?
No they no longer an adulterer if they confessed their sins and repented. However, in pre-cana we are told to be open about our past to our future spouse. They need to know and deserve to know who they are marrying without anything hidden. A person’s past is very important because it does influence their future. For example, if someone had a promiscous past they are more prone or likely to become unfaithful later. It doesn’t mean that they will, just more likely. To hide that from a future spouse is being selfish. That same principle carries on into marriage. The two become one and what ever one of the spouses does it shouldn’t be held back or hidden from the other. Marriage involves complete and total openess between the spouses. Hiding an adulteress incident that happened within the marriage not being open.
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Madia:
Prudence may be the best guide. For example, say a mother doesn’t want her children to play baseball in the house. When the mother is on a trip, the children go ahead anyway and end up breaking a vase. They confess their sins to their father and he buys a new vase and takes a little out of their allowance each week to pay for it. When the mother comes home, would it be prudent of the father to mention the broken vase or just let it go? Would knowing that her children broke the vase in any way help the mother or only cause her more stress?
That’s deception. They are hiding from their mother the fact that they disobeyed her. They need to confess to her, the person whom they disobeyed. Their father was not the one that told them not to play ball in the house. Besides the father’s act of buying a new vase and not telling their mother shows the children that there are ways to cover things up when you do something wrong.
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Madia:
While you can’t say that it’s right in every case of adultery not to confess you sin to your spouse there may be situations where the most prudent thing to do is to not bring it up and resolve to be a better spouse from that day forward.
Sorry, I don’t agree. That is totally against the teachings of the Church. It’s a lie, deceitful, and selfish. On top of that it shows a lack in trust in God that God through His graces can always make things work out if we are open to His graces.
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Madia:
A question the adulter might want to ask is “Am I confessing this sin to my spouse to help them or only to alleviate the guilt that I am feeling?”.
The adulterer would be confessing their sin to their spouse to be open, honest, and true to them. To ask the spouse to forgive them for sinning against him/her and their marriage.
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Madia:
Wouldn’t this be a sin pride/vanity? When cooking something for someone, shouldn’t you be cooking for the good of the people you are serving, not merely cooking to showcase your culinery skills?
Yes, I believe that could be a sin of pride/vanity.
 
There is never a good reason to Lie. You should lie at absolutely nothing.
Think of it this way. God is complete Truth, when someone lies it proclaims the opposite of God’s nature, it is alienating oneself from Truth, God is never present in a lie
Lying to your spouse is not acceptable. That places rifts between the relationship. There is not only the LIE present but the Psychology of the Lie what it does to someone’s conscience, their attitude, it has huge repercussions.
To not tell your spouse about cheating on them, imagine the repercussions that will have. The reason you would not say anything is because of pride, embarrassment, FEAR. You do not trust them. That is something you cannot simply avoid and say you will do better from then on, you OWE it to them…it was your betrayal, and they deserve to know, whether or not you trust the outcome, thats what you need to face, not out of fear but out of faith. THis is your spouse, you don’t just lie to them because you think its proper to,
IF you lie to them about the small things, what is to prevent you from lying about the bigger ones.
to protect a marriage is to face trials like that together, you don’t hide them, you don’t make them look stupid by lying to them. You underestimate them and completely betray their trust in more than one way.
Lies run very deep and have a very detrimental affect.
So No lying is never acceptable.
T
 
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Orionthehunter:
Mathew 19, in my mind, you are not telling the truth if you say something (while technically true as in “I like your cooking” because you like it more than if you had to eat dog ****) when you know the person on the other end will reach an inference that is not the same as your intent. It is still a deception. While I admit that I am guilty of these semantic games too, we should decieve ourselves that it isn’t an untruth.
I guess what I meant was that you like it enough that you could eat it. Not that you like it because it’s better than something that you don’t like. For example, let’s say someone made spaghetti and they ask you if it’s good. Having had spaghetti before that was better you could say yes you like it and still not be lying even though it’s not “that” good or “as” good as what you’ve had in the past. It’s still good (enough that you’d eat it) and all they asked was whether or not it was good. I didn’t mean to imply that you could say it’s “good” because it’s better than eating “dog”. That would be lying.
 
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wcknight:
I agree with OrionHunter… when your spouse asks “Does my butt look big in these pants ?” … :bigyikes:

She definitely does not want to hear that she needs to exercise a lot more !!! :nope:
Of course not, because that is not what she asked. Usually the woman wants to know if this particular outfit overemphasizes her rear compared to other outfits she could choose. She most certainly is not asking if you think she is fat and lazy or has been a slacker all her life. Typical responses include:
  • Eh, I wouldn’t buy that one. The other outfit was so elegant.
  • I think this fits too closely and you’ll regret getting it after you wash it. The red outfit is looser and more flowing.
  • It looks great and draws attention to your face.
  • It’s fine, don’t worry. (fine for her purposes, she looks how she usually does and isn’t trailing toilet paper from her left foot)
Stuff like this, depends entirely on the other outfits and situation and is not lying, white lying, or mental reservation. It is just answering what she actually asked! Maybe I just shop with the wrong people, though, and all the rest of America wishes to be told how fat they are (as if they can’t tell for themselves). The folks I know are not asking about a precise description of how fat they are. They are asking something different; how the clothes are, relative to her (after all, she is herself and is a given).
 
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