Mamberti takes over from Burke and Gallagher is Vatican’s new “foreign affairs minister”

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gilliam said:
Thank you, Dawnia. I think too many people are putting words in Burke’s mouth that he did not say by the way they are interpreting him as attacking the pope. I think they are doing this to further their own agenda. This isn’t American politics, this is the Catholic church.
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Are you saying you don’t think Cardinal Burke has waged a public opinion campaign against Pope Francis’ leadership, in the true “American” style? You don’t think he’s repeatedly represented the leader of his church in a negative light?:confused:
 
1newcatholic said:
Are you saying you don’t think Cardinal Burke has waged a public opinion campaign against Pope Francis’ leadership, in the true “American” style? You don’t think he’s repeatedly represented the leader of his church in a negative light?:confused:
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He has not done any of these.
 
1newcatholic said:
Are you saying you don’t think Cardinal Burke has waged a public opinion campaign against Pope Francis’ leadership, in the true “American” style? You don’t think he’s repeatedly represented the leader of his church in a negative light?:confused:
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The only campaign against Pope Francis by Cardinal Burke that I’ve seen is one fabricated by the media. The same media that takes sound bites of Pope Francis’s words and spreads that he is going to embrace gay marriage, contraception and women priests, yet ignores him when he is speaking very clearly on the teachings of the church.

The image that the media portrays of Cardinal Burke is in direct contradition to the real Cardinal Burke as can be seen in his writings, his speeches and his interviews. Everyone would be far better off relying on those instead of media accounts.

Cardinal Burke: “I Don’t Ever Put Myself in Opposition to the Successor of St. Peter”
 
on_the_hill said:
None of us can know, but I"m certain Pope Francis and Cardinal Burke, and others in their circle know.
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Maybe yes

It also could be a swirl of connections and missed connections that God has allowed and everyone must simply accept. There is a reason for everything in God’s time. Mostly we have no need or reason to understand such things.

But we search

It is human to search and wonder why.
 
Dawnia said:
The only campaign against Pope Francis by Cardinal Burke that I’ve seen is one fabricated by the media. The same media that takes sound bites of Pope Francis’s words and spreads that he is going to embrace gay marriage, contraception and women priests, yet ignores him when he is speaking very clearly on the teachings of the church.

The image that the media portrays of Cardinal Burke is in direct contradition to the real Cardinal Burke as can be seen in his writings, his speeches and his interviews. Everyone would be far better off relying on those instead of media accounts.

Cardinal Burke: “I Don’t Ever Put Myself in Opposition to the Successor of St. Peter”
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Reading the article makes me wonder if Cardinal Burke is completely tone deaf.

No one thinks this is “personal animosity” towards Pope Francis. We all know that Cardinal Burke has noble intentions. But Cardinal Burke has repeatedly taken it upon himself to correct what he perceives as the cultural “misreading” of what Pope Francis says and does–his repeated attempts to provide people with a sense of stability and grounding in tradition have resulted in several public statements with their own controversial implications.

The article cited seems like damage control–a chance for the good cardinal to correct the public misperception of him. That wouldn’t be necessary if he didn’t stand up in the public eye every time the pope does something or says something that has implications he doesn’t like. And the pope isn’t the one he frequently “corrects” in public. For example, he implies the synod fathers who voted for a clause he found confusing A) were confused or B) failed to give it enough thought–basically, he says, I’m right, and if they only thought about it they would clearly agree with me.
 
z_0101 said:
Apostolic succession, by that virtue, he has the privilege to address the Holy Father on maters of faith as did the Apostles to each other. Where Cardinal Burke has, IMHO, made a mistake is that he has done so very publicly and with a great deal of dis-respect shown to the Holy Father.

For example, I do not agree with my direct supervisor on a great number of policies. In public I don’t make derogatory statements against my supervisor and his policies - I would like to keep my position. However, I have the privilege as the Senior Projects Chemist to go to my direct, close the door and respectfully tell him when his train has derailed and I have done so quite often and with some very point-blank words.

Cardinal Burke, should have gone to the Holy Father, closed the door, and had the discussion there… not in the public lime-light.
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Greetings…I agree totally with your opinion! He kept badgering the Holy Father to make a statement about Church Doctrines! Cardinal Burke should have had a private chat with the Pope!
 
bur either way, it shows he doesn’t agree, and conservative Catholics are naturally concerned about the outcome of these things. and the demotion certainly has it’s own implications.
 
1newcatholic said:
Reading the article makes me wonder if Cardinal Burke is completely tone deaf.

No one thinks this is “personal animosity” towards Pope Francis. We all know that Cardinal Burke has noble intentions. But Cardinal Burke has repeatedly taken it upon himself to correct what he perceives as the cultural “misreading” of what Pope Francis says and does–his repeated attempts to provide people with a sense of stability and grounding in tradition have resulted in several public statements with their own controversial implications.
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Haven’t seen the latest headlines, blogs, etc? It’s the battle of the century. The old “conservative” anti-everything Cardinal vs the new “progressive” Pope who is going to bring the Catholic Church in line with modern times. Their hate for each other is legendary. I doubt either would recognize themselves in the media.
The article cited seems like damage control–a chance for the good cardinal to correct the public misperception of him. That wouldn’t be necessary if he didn’t stand up in the public eye every time the pope does something or says something that has implications he doesn’t like. And the pope isn’t the one he frequently “corrects” in public. For example, he implies the synod fathers who voted for a clause he found confusing A) were confused or B) failed to give it enough thought–basically, he says, I’m right, and if they only thought about it they would clearly agree with me.
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This has to do what with Burke’s supposed criticisms of Francis? The other Bishops are not the Pope. And neither are the ignorant people Burke corrects regarding the Pope’s words.
 
The Captain at the helm appears to be decisively charting a clear course for his officers.
 
christofirst said:
The Captain at the helm appears to be decisively charting a clear course for his officers.
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Too bad it’s not making its way down to us peons a little faster (I am including ALL of us in this lament.) :coffeeread:
 
So for many people on CAF, popes are now above reproach? I seem to remember St Paul “boldly” (his words) rebuking St Peter to his face. There are many other examples throughout history of saints respectfully correcting popes. At Catherine of Sienna comes to mind and she wasn’t even a bishop, let alone a cardinal.
 
NeedsMercy said:
You criticize the boss, you get demoted. It happens. 🤷
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I don’t think any of us are privy to the reasons Pope Francis chose the actions he took. 🤷 I doubt Francis is so petty to let disagreements get in the way of acting in the Church’s best interests.
 
I cannot see how Mamberti is really all that far from Burke on a host of issues as well…of course time will tell…but it is interesting…
 
twf said:
So for many people on CAF, popes are now above reproach? I seem to remember St Paul “boldly” (his words) rebuking St Peter to his face. There are many other examples throughout history of saints respectfully correcting popes. At Catherine of Sienna comes to mind and she wasn’t even a bishop, let alone a cardinal.
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Nobody is saying that. We are saying that internal Church jobs are none of our business, and Pope Francis is not so petty as to “demote” Burke for personal vendettas. Besides, most of these positions in the hierarchy would otherwise be completely unknown to us ( or at least, to me).

Name one situation in which this decision will directly affect your personal life and your relationship with Christ. Meanwhile, I will go and live my life with Him, not concerning myself with meaningless politics and prestige.
 
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