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bisco
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did he not say, ‘the perception of the church, currently, is a ship without a rudder’?
Mamberti takes over from Burke and Gallagher is Vatican’s new “foreign affairs minister”
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Sirach2
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Dawnia
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Is reading comprehension such a lost art?
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KDamgirl
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Oh, please. You are presenting secular media reinterpretations of interviews we have read for ourselves? Got to be kidding. I have read each one of the cardinal’s interviews, nowhere did he criticize the pope except in the minds of liberals who have already decided that the pope is a liberal so anything the cardinal says against liberal fantasies about where the church is going they take to be an attack against the pope. these interviews are in the public domain, you really don’t have to go to rumours and reinterpretations of pagans to find the criticisms if they were there.Not only MSM - the media is alive and well.
Just for starters, but google has several pages, mostly media recaps. Faithful Catholics know better than to become ruffled, take sides, and perpetuate these meaningless arguments, trusting that the Holy Spirit will continue to guide us into truth, as Jesus promised. John 16:13.
cardinal burke was asked if he thinks the pope should clarify church teaching to clear the confusion, he said yes. A cardinal suggests that the vicar of Christ whose duty it is to confirm the brethren in the faith should do just that. O the horror!
What a horrible attack on the pope! 
The only other “criticism” is he said “there is a strong SENSE that the church is like a ship without a rudder”. Then he went ahead to calm those fears in that same interview. Was he lying? is there no such sense? only if you don’t have an internet connection do you not know that there is such a strong sense since the synod and many leaders have been trying to calm the faithful.
give us a break. people are attacking cardinal burke because they don’t like his views. period. why else would the secular media that is so illiterate on catholic issues be your source on the meaning of what a cardinal of the church has said on church issues?
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Tigg
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This again? So you believe the princes of the Church should shun the vestments which are meant to convey the holiness and dignity of their office and by their very adornment draw attention to the majesty of the spiritual? You would accuse the good cardinal of a personal preference for finery in clothing? Are you likewise offended by the beauty in the Vatican museum or the priceless treasures of gold chalices and artwork that the truly orthodox see as giving glory to God? Are you offended at gothic architecture which speaks of His magnificence and which draws attention to the beauty of His kingdom?
Many years ago in another parish, we had a heated controversy in which our pastor was condemned for spending a rather large sum on a hanging sanctuary lamp. Oh the criticism could have melted the paint from the walls. How petty and how so like those who felt ill toward the woman who “wasted” precious perfume on the feet of Jesus. That lamp brought attention to the Sacred Mystery contained nearby in a way nothing else could have done. It gave one pause to remember what is most important. Who are we to say that externals do not point to the resplendent and transcendent beauty of God or that clothing cannot point to a deeper symbolism.
How offensive and in your rash judgment you might just want to read the official transcript in which he was interviewed and said with his own mouth he was a servant of the Church and expressed his absolute submission to go anywhere he was assigned.
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Dawnia
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Oh, please. You are presenting secular media reinterpretations of interviews we have read for ourselves? Got to be kidding. I have read each one of the cardinal’s interviews, nowhere did he criticize the pope except in the minds of liberals who have already decided that the pope is a liberal so anything the cardinal says against liberal fantasies about where the church is going they take to be an attack against the pope. these interviews are in the public domain, you really don’t have to go to rumours and reinterpretations of pagans to find the criticisms if they were there.
cardinal burke was asked if he thinks the pope should clarify church teaching to clear the confusion, he said yes. A cardinal suggests that the vicar of Christ whose duty it is to confirm the brethren in the faith should do just that. O the horror!
The only other “criticism” is he said “there is a strong SENSE that the church is like a ship without a rudder”. Then he went ahead to calm those fears in that same interview. Was he lying? is there no such sense? only if you don’t have an internet connection do you not know that there is such a strong sense since the synod and many leaders have been trying to calm the faithful.
give us a break. people are attacking cardinal burke because they don’t like his views. period. why else would the secular media that is so illiterate on catholic issues be your source on the meaning of what a cardinal of the church has said on church issues?
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Sirach2
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And the beat goes on, and on …
Did you not understand my words? Let me repeat them before I leave this futile discussion.
Like I said elsewhere on this subforum, people are getting up in arms and arguing with one another in a form of gossip which makes no sense, because the Holy Spirit will direct the final results. Why are some so unwilling to wait for that day?
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Tigg
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I don’t think any of us are privy to the reasons Pope Francis chose the actions he took.I doubt Francis is so petty to let disagreements get in the way of acting in the Church’s best interests.
In the general condemnation of Card Burke by progresssives, I find it mildly amusing that they seem to discount that the Lord, Himself, had anything to do with this!
Watch and listen! God’s friends will be used in HIS own time and in HIS own way!
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KDamgirl
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Why are you so willing to attack a faithful and loyal Bishop of the church based on the fantasies of modern pagans? You have no proof of your accusations yet you feel free to make them as if Cardinal burke is a next door neighbor who last went to church 50 years ago. Do you think your faith requires you to respect the pope alone but disrespect every other Bishop? You owe cardinal burke great respect and an apology before the Christ you claim to worship and whom he represents as a priest but more so as a Bishop. You and every other catholic should be very careful before you rush to type your condemnations onto the internet buoyed by the cheer of pagans who know nothing of Christ and want nothing more than to see the church brought to her knees. It is bad enough to bear false witness, it is quite another to do so against a representative of Christ on earth. Cardinal burke in his “criticisms” has not shown the slightest disrespect for the person of the pope or his office that these internet catholics feel free to show to his person. What a disgrace. You all should get to confession. Defending the pope does not give anybody the right to wrong Bishops.And the beat goes on, and on …
Did you not understand my words? Let me repeat them before I leave this futile discussion.
Like I said elsewhere on this subforum, people are getting up in arms and arguing with one another in a form of gossip which makes no sense, because the Holy Spirit will direct the final results. Why are some so unwilling to wait for that day?
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estesbob
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It wasn’t unprecedented at all. He was on the court 6 years-normally one only serves a 5 year term. In fact he held the position much longer than any of his predecessors.
There was no “demotion” other than the eyes of the secular press and 'progressive" Catholics desperately hoping the Pope is going to suddenly throw out 2,000 years of teaching and embrace homosexuality , female ordination and the whole liberal agenda we see taking over the denominations of our Separated Brethren.
A good rule of thumb when trying to discern the reason behind the actions of the Church is to not use MSNBC as a source.
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McCall1981
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While I like the effort people are making to look at this situation positively, it’s beyond wishful thinking to assert that Card Burke wasn’t demoted; he obviously was, he knows it, everyone else involved does too.
That said, I don’t understand why people (media included) think it’s some unprecedented, nefarious plot. The Pope is appointing people that have similar priorities to his own, and removing people that don’t; of course he is, that’s what all Popes do, that’s what he’s expected to do, that’s what a conservative Pope would be doing (in reverse)
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Brendan
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That is not a rehash of anything that I asked for. Where did +Burke say anything that is contrary to what +Francis has stated on any subject?
Your link provided no such quotes.
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estesbob
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Cardinal Burke is still:
A member of the College of Cardinals,
A member of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts,
A member of the Congregation for Clergy
A member of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments,
A member of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, and President of the Commission for Advocates,
He holds one less position than he did before-a position he had held longer than most of his predecessors.
A member of the College of Cardinals,
A member of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts,
A member of the Congregation for Clergy
A member of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments,
A member of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, and President of the Commission for Advocates,
He holds one less position than he did before-a position he had held longer than most of his predecessors.
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Robert_Bay
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MODERATOR REMINDER
This is just a reminder to charitably discuss the issues, not other members
This is just a reminder to charitably discuss the issues, not other members
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McCall1981
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Thank God
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Dawnia
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Wow, what is Burke going to do now that he’s not doing anything at all.
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ProdglArchitect
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Wow, what is Burke going to do now that he’s not doing anything at all.
I’m sure all that extra free time will be hard to adjust to.
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Kindness
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Tigg and Glenda I’m sorry if I offended you. If you read my post the first thing I said was that I agree with what Cardinal Burke says. I also believe what the church teaches. I stand by what I said about his vestments. I also agree that we should spend time and treasure creating beautiful holy items for liturgy to reflect the beauty of God. I am in Europe and visit beautiful churches and places of pilgrimage on a regular basis.
Hopefully we can agree to disagree. I think these vestments send the wrong message, the glory should be reserved for Our Lord and not for his servants.
Hopefully we can agree to disagree. I think these vestments send the wrong message, the glory should be reserved for Our Lord and not for his servants.
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Joe_5859
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I think this article is a pretty good reminder for us all:
Have You Heard the Latest About Cardinal Burke?
Sometimes, we get a bit too wrapped up in these things.
EDIT: And another similar piece:
Some Perspective on Francis, Priesthood, and Curial Appointments
Have You Heard the Latest About Cardinal Burke?
Sometimes, we get a bit too wrapped up in these things.
EDIT: And another similar piece:
Some Perspective on Francis, Priesthood, and Curial Appointments
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glendab
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Hello??? I’m wondering how two threads got combined??? Area all the comments from the one here as well? Oh dear! My head is spinning. Robert, if you are “listening” can you help me out? 
Oh my. Are we in Kansas yet? If I click my heels together and say, “There’s no place like home; there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home…” will I find myself back at the other thread? Toto? Are you there?
Glenda
Oh my. Are we in Kansas yet? If I click my heels together and say, “There’s no place like home; there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home…” will I find myself back at the other thread? Toto? Are you there?
Glenda
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