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bisco
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it’s not how the position effects us, it’s reflecting a change that seems to be brought about by a difference of opinion on matters of doctrine, which ultimately do affect us.
Mamberti takes over from Burke and Gallagher is Vatican’s new “foreign affairs minister”
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bisco
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any thoughts on what Pope Francis is intimating when he says, ‘God is not afraid of new things’?
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JackVk
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Burke’s position change was in the works long before the Synod. Also, he has explicitly said that he is not trying to antagonize Francis. They have virtually no differences in opinion of doctrine. They may differ in approach to individuals, but no to doctrine.
As for Francis saying that “God is not afraid of new things”, I agree. When one reads to Gospels, it’s clear that Jesus wants us to step out of the boat and trust Him. I, for one, want the Church to give us orthodoxy without cliches and hackneyed approaches to teaching that are not Sacred Tradition, but rather, in the correct use of the phrase, “traditions of men”, things we do simply because “that’s how we’ve always done it”.
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Have you read this one ? Maybe it helps.
catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-our-god-is-the-god-of-surprises/
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bisco
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thank you graciew, his thoughts are way above my thoughts!
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McCall1981
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For anyone interested, here is an online petition thanking Card Burke for his service:
lifesitenews.com/petitions/thank-you-cardinal-burke-for-your-vatican-service
lifesitenews.com/petitions/thank-you-cardinal-burke-for-your-vatican-service
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FollowChrist34
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Thanks!
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graciew
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orderofmalta.int/news/75633/pope-francis-appoints-raymond-leo-burke-cardinalis-patronus-of-the-sovereign-order-of-malta/?lang=en
POPE FRANCIS APPOINTS RAYMOND LEO BURKE CARDINALIS PATRONUS OF THE SOVEREIGN ORDER OF MALTA
The Sovereign Order of Malta’s mission is embodied in the motto Tuitio Fidei et Obsequium Pauperum, or witness to the faith and assistance to the poor and the suffering. Through its social work and healthcare activities in 120 countries the Order assists the poor, the sick and victims of war and social exclusion without distinction as to race or religion.
Good Lord! This is his beautiful new mission!
How on earth can this be a call to be quiet,a demotion,a revenge?? This is an opportunity to take the voice of the voiceless ,to pray for all the love God can give you,it is a lovely mission!!
I just did not know what it was about…
May The Lord be with Cardinal Burke and help him in love and joy.Amen.
POPE FRANCIS APPOINTS RAYMOND LEO BURKE CARDINALIS PATRONUS OF THE SOVEREIGN ORDER OF MALTA
The Sovereign Order of Malta’s mission is embodied in the motto Tuitio Fidei et Obsequium Pauperum, or witness to the faith and assistance to the poor and the suffering. Through its social work and healthcare activities in 120 countries the Order assists the poor, the sick and victims of war and social exclusion without distinction as to race or religion.
Good Lord! This is his beautiful new mission!
How on earth can this be a call to be quiet,a demotion,a revenge?? This is an opportunity to take the voice of the voiceless ,to pray for all the love God can give you,it is a lovely mission!!
I just did not know what it was about…
May The Lord be with Cardinal Burke and help him in love and joy.Amen.
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Dawnia
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I was reading that it frees up the Bishops time to do other things. It would be entertaining to see the response if Pope Francis’s intent was to give Burke more public exposure and opportunity to evangelize.
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graciew
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Dawnia,I am absolutely amazed at the span of opportunities his new mission opens.
Well,I am being subjective…
I just loved it when I read about it. It is looking for the face of Jesus in the suffering. Can t be objective, I know Francis loves this,he would never appoint somebody he does not trust to his beloved voiceless.I was sincerely delighted .And I felt like sharing it with you all.
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boar2roar
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Isn’t it just a ceremonial role? There is no army anymore so isn’t he basically the figure head of a catholic red cross like organization. What could he really do in that role? He was demoted and thrown this bone for a little bit of conciliation.
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JackVk
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Consideting the proliferation of Islam in Europe in recent years, I don’t think it’ll remain “ceremonial” for very long. Maybe if push comes to shove, Burke could make it into some kind of PMC or security force (granted, all guided by Just War doctrine).
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twf
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The way I understand it, Cardinal Burke with have NO authority over the Order. This is a ceremonial position. He is the Pope’s representative to the Order…nothing else. A patron doesn’t usually govern an institution. The Order is led by its own Grand Master who has direct and complete authority over it (and who is a consecrated religious). Cardinal Burke will have zero authority and zero jurisdiction. Yes, he will have influence…but that’s it.
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Dawnia
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It is. However, as I understand it Pope Francis had to assign Burke another position regardless of how small. As with all positions, this one too will be temporary. (Whether he is reassigned later by Francis or a future Pope).
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Joe_5859
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This is really sums up the bottom line of the whole thing. We don’t know the reason. But we can be pretty sure that the reason isn’t some sort of petty dislike.I don’t think any of us are privy to the reasons Pope Francis chose the actions he took.I doubt Francis is so petty to let disagreements get in the way of acting in the Church’s best interests.
And I think this is a great way to look at Burke’s new role. Yes, many see the role as largely ceremonial. Many see it as a “demotion.” And it is somewhat unprecedented to move a cardinal of Burke’s age from the type of position he was in to a position such as this.
However, I am somewhat excited to see what Burke will do with this “ceremonial role.” I think he can turn it into a great opportunity for serving the poor and serving the whole Church. Plus, he may have more free time for speaking and writing.
Honestly, up until this Synod, I hadn’t heard much about Burke in a long time. He was busy doing his job. But I somewhat suspect we’ll be hearing a lot more about him moving forward. I suppose we will see, though. In any case, I think Burke and the Church will be just fine.
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JimmyG88
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Islam? I really don’t get what your point is. Unless you are actually advocating a Crusade.
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JackVk
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By that, I mean radical Islam. I don’t leave that out of the question, since small pockets of European countries are allowed to have Sharia Law enforced.
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JimmyG88
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Small pockets of Europe enforce Catholic Doctrine as law too. Clearly the people in each ‘small pocket’ wish to be governed by the rules in which they believe. Setting Cardinal Burke up as the potential head of a Crusade is simply the sort of talk which encourages radicalism. This sort of suggestion is precisely the sort of think which made Catholics second class outsiders in Ireland and in turn radicalised them too. It’s highly circumspect and adds credence to the fortress mentality that breeds aberrant behaviour
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JackVk
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Okay, then. Forget I ever said that.
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NeedsMercy
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I really don’t think of it as a matter of pettiness. Perhaps it is more of a need to strengthen his image as the final authority on church matters. IMHO, there are many within the Church hierarchy who are too quick to disagree with him. The Synod’s recent passive dismissal of certain of his views may have necessitated a reinforcement of “who’s the boss”. Vatican politics, if you will.
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