Marijuana = Sinfull?

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centurion50 said:
one word Repent.:mad:
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one word Charity:)

getting angry at someone because they are not doing what you would like is not likely going to change anyones mind in regards to drugs. More than likely your emotions will cause the said person to continue the use out of mere spite at your remarks.

May God grant you Peace with your walk with Christ :signofcross:
 
Much of this argument has centred around marijuana’s status as an illegal drug in most countries.

But, what if you’re using it legally, e.g. a medicinal user in one of the states where it’s permitted for medicinal use, or a home-grown user in Alaska where it’s legal to grow one plant per household, or living in/visiting the Netherlands, where it’s legal.

Assuming there were no issues with breaking the law or supporting criminal activities, and assuming you weren’t going to drive or go to work while under the influence, would there be any difference between using marijuana (or mushrooms) and drinking alcohol?
 
DL82 said:
Much of this argument has centred around marijuana’s status as an illegal drug in most countries.

But, what if you’re using it legally, e.g. a medicinal user in one of the states where it’s permitted for medicinal use, or a home-grown user in Alaska where it’s legal to grow one plant per household, or living in/visiting the Netherlands, where it’s legal.

Assuming there were no issues with breaking the law or supporting criminal activities, and assuming you weren’t going to drive or go to work while under the influence, would there be any difference between using marijuana (or mushrooms) and drinking alcohol?
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I guess thats were intentions come in and discipline. Alcohol is legal but you can still get drunk and go to work, and that wouldn’t be a good thing unless you wanted to get fired. You can also drink and drive and kill innocent people if you have no discipline. You can get stoned and do nothing productive also and that wouldn’t be good either, unless you were using a little bit to ease tension but then you run the risk of doing too much and getting used to it.

So I guess it depends on the individual. I didn’t smoke to get away from god or make up new rules, I just smoked and still believed. I haven’t smoked in more than a month though, and I don’t know if I will. When I have kids if I do I will not tell them Marijuana is good or tell them to try it oh no not because I’m a hypocrite or selfish but because I don’t know if they could handle it, everyone is different and if you cant handle it you either become unproductive or jump to another drug that is life threatening.
 
Like I said, potheads clear the smoke from your brains.:sleep: :hypno:
 
I don’t want a road full of drivers high on marijuana. I live in a college town and that’s what would happen here if marijuana use was legalized. I have to sweat the drunk drivers enough as it is. 😦
 
at least no one would get run over or crash but you’d have a lot of traffic to deal with lol
 
xmydreamsfadex said:
not trying to start a new debate here, but meat is full of fat and cholesterol making it harmful to your heart, body, main reason why there is so many health problems in this counrty, yet meat isn’t a sin.
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Meat isn’t a drug though. If it were, then it would be wrong to take except for therapeutic means.

If it were legitimate to eat meat, but it were banned in a country, we would perhaps need to lobby and get the laws reworked. In such case, we would hope the jury would get the courts to change the laws. Government exists for man, not man for government.

Government shouldn’t oppress people and make a bunch of laws restricting liberty. So conscientious objection on valid matters is a right, some would say a necessary duty, of Catholics.
 
If it were legal where you lived, then it would not be sinful at all for you to smoke it, just as long as you do it in moderation, like alchohol.

The only way it would be wrong would be if it was illegal where you lived, or, if you did it without moderation.

(For those of you who haven’t smoked Marijuana, it isn’t a hallucinogen, as Other Eric suggested. It mellows you out.)
 
Yes I never understood why people said it was a hallucinogen because I never went through that I just relaxed and enjoyed music or road my bike lol. I guess it was like that film I recommend people see about Marijuana made looong ago to make it look evil, it was called Refer madness. The film is a big lie obviously.
 
Reformed_Rob said:
Meat isn’t a drug though. If it were, then it would be wrong to take except for therapeutic means.

If it were legitimate to eat meat, but it were banned in a country, we would perhaps need to lobby and get the laws reworked. In such case, we would hope the jury would get the courts to change the laws. Government exists for man, not man for government.

Government shouldn’t oppress people and make a bunch of laws restricting liberty. So conscientious objection on valid matters is a right, some would say a necessary duty, of Catholics.
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i was just messing around because i think meat is gross.
 
I just came across this thread, and this is my first post in the forums. I do “lurk” from time to time to get others’ insights, which for the most part I have found very helpful.
I just had to comment on some of the responses in this thread. It appears to me from reading this young man’s question, that it was very earnest and he was genuinely seeking guidance. Some of the answers were very kind and understanding.
However, I perceived some of the answers to be quite self-righteous and condemnatory. Teenagers generally do not respond well to that sort of tone. It could very well drive them away and dissuade them from seeking further advice. Is that what we want?
Shouldn’t we as Catholics answer this young person’s question with love and respect, without judgment? Do we not want our young people to feel welcome, to be able to come here to a Catholic forum for advice without the fear of reprimand or degrading, hurtful words/attitude? Lastly, do these condemnatory responses spread the correct message about our Catholic faith? 🤷
 
Other_Eric said:
Hemlock is from the ground too. It’s natural and poisonous. That God put something on the earth does not mean it was meant for our consumption.

Given that marijuana’s entire purpose is the hallucinatory effects that it has upon the mind, I would counsel that to use this substance is to seek escape from the reality of God’s creation in preference for some chemically induced fantasy. This is directly opposed to being alert in one’s service to God.
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Most pot users never anticipate any “hallucinatory effects”. These would be just bonuses (or negatives in rare cases). The language you use to try to “counsel” people is flaccid. Nobody actually thinks that seeking dream-states or hallucinations is somehow “directly opposed to being alert in one’s service to God”.​

You dishonestly conflate pot and hemlock. You make a valid point that just because something is natural does not mean that it is pleasant or beneficial to consume. But, in case you didn’t know, hemlock kills, but pot is pleasant and doesn’t kill. You are extremely dishonest when you conflate the two. In fact, if you actually wanted to “counsel” people about drugs, you should probably do your research. The more you dis-inform, the more young people will distrust the information they are getting.
 
reereebeads said:
I just came across this thread, and this is my first post in the forums. I do “lurk” from time to time to get others’ insights, which for the most part I have found very helpful.
I just had to comment on some of the responses in this thread. It appears to me from reading this young man’s question, that it was very earnest and he was genuinely seeking guidance. Some of the answers were very kind and understanding.
However, I perceived some of the answers to be quite self-righteous and condemnatory. Teenagers generally do not respond well to that sort of tone. It could very well drive them away and dissuade them from seeking further advice. Is that what we want?
Shouldn’t we as Catholics answer this young person’s question with love and respect, without judgment? Do we not want our young people to feel welcome, to be able to come here to a Catholic forum for advice without the fear of reprimand or degrading, hurtful words/attitude? Lastly, do these condemnatory responses spread the correct message about our Catholic faith? 🤷
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Exactly. You bring to mind another post on this forum that conflated hemlock and pot. This demonstrates a complete lack of respect for the people they are trying to persuade.
 
Mark_Robert said:
I don’t want a road full of drivers high on marijuana. I live in a college town and that’s what would happen here if marijuana use was legalized. I have to sweat the drunk drivers enough as it is. 😦
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And that is one of the fears that led us down the slippery slope that produced this damaging “drug war”. Here are some former “drug warriors” that are dedicated to spreading the word about the dangers of prohibition.: leap.cc/cms/index.php​

Your worry about intoxicated drivers is shared by most people, even some of the dangerous drivers themselves. Your fear is that the incidents of intoxicated driving will be increased. And you might even be correct, but freedom is messy. If you study the problem of drugs in this country, you will conclude that ending prohibition has historically ameliorated more problems than it created. But the basic principle is that people own their own bodies. Instead of raiding people’s homes and “accidentally” killing innocent people (including a 93 year old woman tiny.cc/prohibition) they can be out patrolling for people driving recklessly and other ACTUAL crimes. Prohibition is a GIFT from the government to violent thugs. I would rather a few more people die in car crashes (though pot drivers are very slow and careful drivers), than spend trillions of dollars a year to put non-violent “drug offenders” behind bars. I find it frustrating that people don’t understand how seriously immoral prohibition is. One of the problems is that people have a sort of “Stockholm syndrome” when it comes to their own governments. They think, "big mommy government is doing it, so it must be ok.​

Please bear with me. I think I can actually help in this area. I have given much thought, and more importantly I think I can create (in these postings) a nice little package that can persuade folks to lean my way. To that end, I have collected a few opinions from Catholic/Christian folks: tiny.cc/drugs1
tiny.cc/clergy
tiny.cc/paternalism
 
LDNCatholic said:
The Bible does say it is OK to drink wine. it ‘‘gladdens the heart’’ and we are allowed to drink in moderation. Christ Himself changed water into wine.

Nowhere in the Bible can I find quotes saying to ‘‘light up for the gladness of thine heart’’ or the story where Jesus turns straw into weed for the stoner party at Cana.

God Bless

Peter
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Lol. Too funny!
Reformed_Rob said:
Slavery being legal didn’t mean you “had to have slaves.”

Although, in one state, I think South Carolina, even if you didn’t own slaves, there were laws that said if you saw a runaway slave, you were required to assist in their capture and returning them to their owners.

In a history channel documentary, they talked about how a group of Presbyterian men got out of church one day and went out to capture and shoot runaway slaves.

A Catholic in that situation would obviously need to conscientiously refuse being a part of capturing slaves for their return to slavery.

A Catholic in a country where marijuana use and sale is illegal, would need to not use marijuana or buy/sell it.
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If marijuana is a “drug” as referred to in CCC #2291, then it’s use outside of therapeutic purposes would be sinful for a Catholic, even in a country where it is not illegal to buy/sell/use it. That seems clear to me.**
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A much appreciated well reasoned post, I do agree too

Ave Maria
 
I am a catholic and I have been smoking pot on and off again for a couple of months now. I appreciate all of the posts on this thread that I have read (although I have only read some of them). I guess I am searching my heart for how I believe God’s view of me smoking marijuana would be. Asking myself am I WANTING marijuana to be deemed inline with the obedience of God and is that affecting my stand, because it shouldn’t. That would be me wanting God to be how I want him to be. I guess the confusing part of it all is that alcohol (wine) in the bible and jesus’ acceptance or endorsment of it. He changed water into wine and obviously drinking wine isn’t sinful in moderation. Ephesian’s tells us to not be drunk on wine but be filled with the holy spirit. I look at that and have tried to apply that to marijuana/alcohol/caffine/ etc… That verse says to me do not do things to your temple (body) which will stand in the way of your connection with our lord. Maybe that’s the key. I know I would not choose alcohol or pot over God. I’d make the change if need be. And I have a hard time respecting the law of our land when abortion (MURDER) is legal. At the least I believe that getting stoned out of one’s mind is as sinful as getting drunk to a state of uselessness. I don’t know how taking a puff is sinful while drinking a glass of wine isn’t. I want to understand that. And I don’t want to hear that something is a sin in the United States and not a sin in Amsterdam. I want to know what God’s law tells me how to live, not our genocidal abortion endorsing country.
 
The laws of pagan Rome were probably even more debauched than the laws of the modern-day United States; yet St. Paul exhorted Catholics living in Rome in those days to obey the civil authorities in everything that is not sinful.

Since it is not sinful to not smoke marijuana, this is a civil law that we should obey. The rest is irrelevant, until such time as it becomes legal.
 
Yes…getting ‘high’ is sinful. I can’t condemn it too strongly, without becoming a hypocrite, given my raucous youth. But…I now know it to be wrong, and a dreadful waste of life. It’s self-destructive, and God doesn’t wish that for us.
 
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