Mariwan Halabjayee flees fatwa

[cestusdei]

We don’t need the followers of the false prophet Muhammed to tell us about Jesus. St. Paul actually saw Jesus. The Church accepted this writings. He died for Christ. Jesus is God. A true Christian will worship him as such. If you want to follow Jesus then join the Catholic Church. We will show you how to truly obey him.

 

[SemperJase]

Emad:

What a un-bias source huh? Let me go to answeringchristianity to learn about Christianity, how does that sound? Or let me go to a Nazi site to get news about Jews, what do you think?

pro_universal:

The key word is “learn” in your post. The reason cestusdei doesn’t see the problem with using that source is that he isn’t interested in learing about Islam; he just wants to criticize and attack.

I don’t see that you ever responded to the original question. Just implied that it wasn’t true. I can only assume that you don’t have a problem with fatwas against muslims who believe in women’s rights but for some reason are reluctant to admit it.

I found a different source to confirm the story though:
kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=11809

So let us theorize. If this actually happened. Do muslims support a fatwa on an author who writes a book about Islam’s oppression of women?

My favorite response was Emad:

I never killed anyone too and I condemn every killing of anyone** unjustly**.

That is a way to act like you don’t approve of killing infidels when you actually do. When has there been an unjust killing of an infidel? I have yet to see a muslim say any killing of an “infidel” was unjust. So if they are killed “justly” it is acceptable and by default, the killings are always just. Again, I can only conclude that you think probably think that it is always just to kill infidels.

 

[Godfrey]

randel:

But when I qouted what Christ said in very clear terms, you qouted Paul. And then I said to you, Christ is Christ and Paul is Paul. No Christ, no Christianity.

my first quote regarding freedom was from the gospel of John - others were from Paul - if you have a problem with Pauline scripture I could restate my case using only the words of Christ - it makes no difference to me, because there is no conflict}

snip

In theory may be you are free, in your mind. But practically and rationally you are not and not supposed to be free the moment either you realise that you are a follower or Christ or want to follow Christ.

once I became I believer I gained freedom from the wages of sin and submitted myself to G-d ]

What raelly makes a difference between a Christ-follower (Christan) and a non-Christian?

Obviously, the title of ‘Christian’ deserve only for those who follow what Christ asked them/demanded from them.

All others who do not recognise Christ are free in their mind. There is no obligation on them from their perspective to follow Christ.

Let’s say an Aborigine of Australia, who never heard a word about Christ, is he not totally free, from his perspective?

And there are millions of people who don’t even know what the very word ‘Bible’ means and what was Jesus’ mission and who was Saul. Are they not free, from their angle? Ofcourse they too are “totally free”, as far as following any faith other than their is concerned.

I think my knowledge of the Bible is fine, thank you and the fate of anyone that has never heard the Word of YHWH is covered in the Bible itself - I trust in the Creator to deal with them justly and fairly as He has said he will]

But all these, whatever faith/commitment they have are not totally free, either. They too, the moment they think/realise they are Buddhists or Jews etc., they are bound by certain convictions and commitments in order to be called a Buddhist or a Jew.

So the notion that you are free in Christ is a deception. You cannot be a totally free man with or without Christ.

[christ said I would be freed by truth - he also said he was “the Way, the Truth and the Life” and that he came to bring “life and life more abundantly” ]

You are made to believe that your are “free” from the so-called “understanding” imposed by people other than Christ, in his name

G-d’s Spirit teaches me and guides me in all truth, just Jesus said it would - read Jesus’ words in John chapter 16 regarding this - I do not rely on the vain teachings of men ]

If you ignore the neccessity of following the Law and the Prophets and obligation of being a righteous you will never enter the Kingdom of God. The more you agree and follow this principle and article of faith imposed by Christ, the higher your level/grade in the Eternal life.

Christ did not come to free you from the bondage of Divine law and the Prophets nor to destroy them but to put you within the bounderies of the Divine law of God. Anyone who disagree with this fact uttered by Christ, is anything but Christ-follower.

Ye’shua said he did not come to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfil the Law and was the ones that the prophets were insired to speak of when they spoke of he who was to be the Messiah - I never said the Law was destroyed, it is fulfilled - he did not come to put me within the boundaries of the Law, but to have me transcend the fate o those who broke it, because if we are guilty of breaking one pint, the Bible says, we have broken the whole - it is humanly impossible to keep the whole law perfectly - Jesus paid my debt ] ]

Now fancy words like slave of Law, saved by choice or freed in Christ, mean nothing!.

slave of righteousness! NOT Law there is a HUGE difference!]

Christ was not a philosopher. He did not come to teach you philosophy or fancy words or entertain you with his miracles or wonders to amuse his people. He had a firm mission and great responsibility to hold his people in the boundage of Divine Law of God. The purpose of Law is it’s application in daily life and being righeous.

FALSE! He came to free us from the bondage of sin and the Law]

You don’t need any extra help of people like Paul to understand basic and simple words uttered by Christ. Followers of Chirst who lived and died before Paul’s “vision” on the Damascus road, were Chriatians too and saved. They did not hear or seek “wisdom” of Saul from his books/letters (such as Romans or Phillipians or Galatians).

as you can see, I can speak the same as I have before, using only what Jesus said - you impune my knowledge of my own Scriptures, but I have shown that to be your misunderstanding]]

 

[Godfrey]

cont…

If you disagree with the above, why?

i really don’t care to read or respond to anything other than what is in the bible at this point - it is the basis of my faith and suits me fine in this discussion - so I dont know whether I agree with it or not, nor do I care]

Dude
First off you are debating me on a concept AS YOU PERCEIVE IT, not as I mean it and the Bible means it

I will respond to some of this WITHIN THE QUOTE OF YOUR POST ABOVE as it is easier and below here also.

You think you know what the Bible is saying - you just don’t - your ignorance is glaring

On the surface it looks like Muhammad in the Qur’an was interested in building a bloodthirsty army of people that kill everyone that ticks them off or doesn’t accept Islam.
Do you want me doing that kind of surfacey interpretation of the Qur’an as you are doing to my faith and the Bible?

Your arrogance in telling me what the Sacred Scripture I have spent my life studying means is truly an affront - you aren’t posing questions - you are doing what you warned me about - you want me to listen to someone other than Ye’shua and that person is YOU!

YOU are telling me what to believe!

I reject what you say because I know better in my mind and in my spirit.

There is one thing you can never do is disuade me or convince me that my faith is not true, because I CHOSE it after much searching from all I saw! YHWH has confirmed his word in my heart and with His Spirit.

If Islam ever conquers the world, I will be a Christian still
I would not kill for, but I would die for my faith!!!

I have experienced something in G-d you have no idea of!

My mind and my heart are forever fixed with my G-d and are His alone!

 

[Godfrey]

randel
I kept trying to avoid ANY conflict on this, but you kept pushing, so don’t blame me if you don’t like my response - I have no idea why you latched onto the freedom issue, which you do not understand from a Christian perspective

Peace

 

[randel]

Hi Godfrey,

Let’s say you were an Italian atheist living in Rome since your childhood and your parents never cared about what you should believe as such you later indulged in all kinds of ‘free activities’ such as drinking hard liqour, pre-marital sex, sodomy, homosexuality etc., thinking there is no Afterlife and there is no God, and because all these can be freely and easily done right around Pope’s Vatican, in Rome, since Italy is not a Catholic law abiding country nor it is under Pope’s rule. Then all of a sudden you met some religious Catholics who invited you to embrace Catholicism and you somehow accepted their invitation and became a Catholic.

Now please tell me are you now still free to indulge literally in acts like drinking hard liqour, pre-marital sex, sodomy, homosexuality etc.? Or after your baptisation, you are not totally free but bound to follow atleast the main precepts of Catholicism to justify your conversion?

 

[Godfrey]

This is your misconception of what I am saying - I am not bound to abstain from these things just because they are proscribed (Law), but rather because I have been set free from the bondage of sin. I am in a process of transformation, as the Scripture says. If I engage in those types of activities, it would be because I am reaching back to the “old man” or the sin nature which is being purged from me through a process that I cooperate in (or not if I will not to in sinfulness).

For every temptation, there is a way of escape, but if I am disobedient, I am not aligning my mind and will with the mind and will of Christ. I don’t do or not do things only because they are proscribed, His Spirit guides in in what it is I am to do or not if I ask for that guidance. If I am confused or in doubt I can turn to G-d.

However, this transformation process will only be complete at the Ressurection, so if I do sin (and all sin is disobedience against G-d) this is what Scripture tells me:

I John 1:5 “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with him while we are walking in darkness, we lie and do not do what is true; 7but if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he who is faithful and just will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”…

1John 2

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 Now by this we may be sure that we know him, if we obey his commandments. 4Whoever says, ‘I have come to know him’, but does not obey his commandments, is a liar, and in such a person the truth does not exist; 5but whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has reached perfection. By this we may be sure that we are in him: 6whoever says, ‘I abide in him’, ought to walk just as he walked…

26 I write these things to you concerning those who would deceive you. 27As for you, the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and so you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie,

7Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8Everyone who commits sin is a child of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Those who have been born of God do not sin, because God’s seed abides in them;* they cannot sin, because they have been born of God. 10The children of God and the children of the devil are revealed in this way: all who do not do what is right are not from God, nor are those who do not love their brothers and sisters."…

1John 3

31See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God; and that is what we are. The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we will be has not yet been revealed. What we do know is this: when he* is revealed, we will be like him, for we will see him as he is. 3And all who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

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cont…

 

[Godfrey]

This is a very complicated, yet beautifully simple passage of Scripture - I even hated to cut a few parts out of it for brevity.
As you can see, it says if we are Christ’s we don’t sin, but IF we do sin, we have Jesus as our advocate and he also cleanses us from all unrighteousness
We are in transition, so sometimes we fail, but we are by no means excused, just cleased from sin if we are repentant and are clean again. There is no excuse, we have the Spirit of God to align with so we do not sin, but if we cause ourself to, we can sin

As you can see - I have freedom of all sorts in Christ - a free will - but I am attempting to submit it to G-d’s will and I don’t do so because of the Law (rules and regulations) but because I am being transformed from my old nature and because I want to please Him.

This is your misconception of free will, sin, the Law, salvation and the Bible in brief

It would take me much longer than this to go in depth, so I do the best I can here

To be honest, I don’t have to think much about what is ethical or not, it is becoming more and more intrinsic in me because of His Spirit as my life progresses

I do not fear G-d or punishment, because I am saved and I am doing His will to the best of my ability and ask forgiveness when I err.
I am not bound by the Law, I am transcending it, just as I am doing with sin - transcending my old nature

my motivation is love, not following rules
That is the nature of Christian salvation

 

[Godfrey]

Let me tell you a personal tale:

Years back, through time in my life, because of excessive drinking I became an alcoholic.

Eventually I did become sober.
However, I was resentful for being sober and my motivation for continuing to be so was not because that was what I wanted to do, but because I was TOLD ( a rule!) that I had to be.

After a year or so, I returned to drinking (of course, this is a sin). I did so of my own free will, even though I had previously been free of it.

After a number of years, even in the haze I knew what I was doing was wrong - and at this time I quit, not because I was told to, but because I WANTED to and I wanted to realign my will with G-d’s in this matter. I wanted to do what was best for me and to please Him and serve him (can you see the difference in motivation?)

It was harder to quit this time and was even physically dangerous for me. I knew it was and I put myself in Detox, even though I knew I would hate being incarcerated, but I knew it was for my own good (again, free will, no coersion, even though I knew it would be unpleasant - sin is pleasant for a time - doing G-d’s will isn’t always)

I am now happily sober and this time I am not resentful and I don’t have the urges like I did last time (because in my heart I still WANTED to drink - it was my will to drink at that time)

The first time I tried to do it by rules and my will was conflicted and I never asked for God’s will to be done.

The second time I said “I want to be sober but can’t do it without your help! I give my will over to yours, G-d!”

my will and motivation had changed and it made all of the difference

Can you see how this relates to what I have been saying?

 

[ronald]

Hi all, Why is it soooo difficult to admit that the freedom of religion is better in the west than that in Islam countries?

 

[cestusdei]

There is no freedom in Islam. God is master and we are slaves. In Christianity God is Father and we are Sons and daughters. A crucial distinction.

That plays out in all aspects of human liberty including freedom of religion. Something I highly recommend to Muslims. The Vatican is beginning to insist on reciprocity. That is equal rights for Christians in Muslim countries just like they have in the West.

 

[Godfrey]

hmmm
I was expecting from randel a response to my response to his question.

They are already posting in other threads today

well, I think I made my point explicitly clear at his continued insistance

I am out of this thread

May the Prince of Peace be glorified

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

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That plays out in all aspects of human liberty including freedom of religion. Something I highly recommend to Muslims. The Vatican is beginning to insist on reciprocity. That is equal rights for Christians in Muslim countries just like they have in the West.

Hi cestusdei,

You have no idea what you are talking about because you don’t know the whole picture as such your attitude is not a good sign for your Christianity, either.

No faith should be forced on other people againts their will because faith is not something like we all learn science or geography or mathematics in school as facts.

The total of any faith is not based on observational facts. Otherwise all people on Earth would have adopt only one faith, which is totally based on proven, observational facts.
The reason not all faith can be proved descisively because they deal problems with this human life and the Afterlife.

As far, faith issues that deals with this life, there is a variety and many solutions available in different faiths as such people have a choice to pick whatever they like.

As far issues dealing with afterlife, in this area too many different “theories/hyposthesisies” are in the market of various faiths. The irony is no one can prove all these different “theories/hyposthesisies”, like 2+2=4.

Thus all issues of any faith are not exact sciences. All men have a variety on their tables of choice. As such you cannot force people or ask any nation/society/country to open the doors so that you can impose your faith (say, catholicism) on them because people already have and live happily in their faith fro centuries which they inherit from their beloved parents/ancestors and are not in real need to waste their time on you.

The only option you have is, you can “preach” them only if they allow you because if they don’t accept your Catholicsm they are not going to die nor you can prove them descisively why Catholicism is MUST for them.

Now, even if somehow you are allowed to preach them your Catholcism, then this does not mean end of the story of your concern/passion to evangleise your faith. On the contrary, allowing you to teach your faith, means opening the door for all 33,000 denominations of Christendom and plus all countless non-Chrisian faith such as Satanism, Pagainism, worshippers of female private organs, Worshippers of Devils etc. Why? Because it is your analogy that you used by using the example of your West’s freedom of religions and thus as much as you (a Catholic) have the right to preach Moslems, all other Christians, such as Mormons, followers of Jimmy Swaggart, Jehovas Witnesses too have every right to teach their beliefs as Christian faith and open their places of worship in their (Moslem) countries. No? Or you think only Catholics must be allowed in the Moslem country(ies)?

This the one aspect. There is an another aspect, which you totally ignored, knowingly or unkowingly, and that is: People around the world like to go to Europeor America not because people of Europe/America are Christians. In fact most people who are poor and intelligent like to go there to make more and appropraite income because in their countries, their governments are either corrupted or they have no proper resources or cannot afford because of lack of technology and other reasons.
Europe and America’s progress and developement is not due to their being born as Christians. In fact their progress is due to keeping Christianity completely out of state matters and adopting science and technology to grow freely. They began to improve their economic and technological condition eversince they reject Church and adopted secularism. Secularism means limiting the role of Church to some set of personal beliefs. Thus people who live and those who like to live in Europe/America, they are impressed by their secularism and not their Christianity.
Your analogy would make sense only if people had loved to go to Europe of Christian Fundamentalists, when Papal authority was governing. Obviously in that Europe, even Jews were not allowed to live with peace let alone preach their Judaism. Ask yourself how many Jewish synagogues or Moslem mosques or Hindu temples were allowed to build in Papal’s Europe?

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

There is no freedom in Islam…

That plays out in all aspects of human liberty including freedom of religion. Something I highly recommend to Muslims. The Vatican is beginning to insist on reciprocity. That is equal rights for Christians in Muslim countries just like they have in the West.

Hi cestusdei],

Did Pope also begin to insist on reciprocity with the extremist Hindus of India who don’t even want to hear a word from you about Christ and if you try to preach your Christianity of any of thousands of denominations, they can even burn you alive while you are asleep. And I am sure there are Hindus too in the West who “enjoy” equal rights. No?

India–Christian Persecution in India
persecution.org/Countries/india.html

Pastor attacked in Himachal Pradesh by Hindu extremists, urged to renounce faith
in.christiantoday.com/news/nat_773.htm

**Hindu-Indians Continue To Murder Christians
Hindu Fundos Kill Catholic Priest, Bomb Churches
Christians attacked in south India

HON. JOHN T. DOOLITTLE
in the House of Representatives
India under fire over Christian rights
Protests at nun sex attack
Hindus plan violence against minorities**
holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/ka04005.html

Not to mention the vendalisation of Jewish synagogues in Europe.

 

[cestusdei]

I answered you in the other thread. And yes Hindu’s have freedom of religion here. They just built a new temple in my hometown. It was front page news. The Sikh’s just built one too. How many Hindu temples in Saudia Arabia? Tell me again. I forgot.

 

[Muslim]

cestusdei:

I answered you in the other thread. And yes Hindu’s have freedom of religion here. They just built a new temple in my hometown. It was front page news. The Sikh’s just built one too. How many Hindu temples in Saudia Arabia? Tell me again. I forgot.

how many hindus in saudi arabia? tell me again. i forgot.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

Which Islam product should I buy. Sunni, shiite, alawi, salafi, wahhabi?.

Hi cestusdei,

What happened to the thread tited “Jesuit calls for…”?

Now let me clear up your doubts.

cestusdei:

Which Islam product should I buy. Sunni, shiite, alawi, salafi, wahhabi?.

There are basically only TWO divisions in the whole history of Moslems.
In the begining right after their [last] prophet, there was only one form of Islam, but later a small group due to some insignificant/minor political disagreements seperated itself from the Moslem society and then later developed it’s own theology based on it’s own interpretation this is called Shia group. But this Shia group was and still is a small part of the whole Moslem-dom.
On the other hand the majority of Moslems are called Sunnis who follow the path left by their [last] prophet. This is the mainstream. Even shiite despite some political differences, believe in the same fundamental precepts of Sunnis. Without Sunnis, shiite could not have come into existence. As such when Shiite go to Mecca they pray and do Hajj rituals with the rest of the Moslem world. If shiites were a different denominations, like in the christendom, Sunnis would not have allowed them to perform Hajj, as for Hajj only Moslems are allowed in their Holy cities.
In Sunnis, there are some schools of thoughts such as Malikis, Hanbalis, Shafa’is etc. They are not denominations nor sects nor they have seperate Churches (Mosques) nor seperate religious offices nor none of them have any “infallible” leader. They all have pious scholars whose interpretation is always at the mercy of foundation of Moslem religion-Islam. If any scholar depart from foundational view without citing/providing proof/evidence from the Koran and the way laid by their [last] prophet, then that scholar’s view/opinion/interpretation has no value in the whole mainstream Moslem world.
The most, a school of thought have at it’s disposal is to adopt a possible interpretition within the frame-work already set by the Moslem-Shari’ah. But opinion or interpretion of a scholar not neccessarily applicable all the time and in all circumstances and on all Moslems. Moslems are free to choose whatever they feel closer to the soul/spirit of Moslem shari’ah provided they do not depart from the main precepts of Islam. The main concern of Islam is not minor issues but the main precepts, which is monotheism and application of Divine law in daily life. This is what makes a Moslem, as Moslem as such the whole Moslem world of more than 1.5 billion people is basically one unbreakable unit.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

We do have freedom of religion. In our nation every religion can thrive and they do. Just compare us to any muslim country.

Hi cestusdei,

Here you have a great misunderstanding.
First, the religion you are talking is not the same religion that Christ left, as “no book of ancient times has come down to [you] exactly as it left the hands of its author–all have been in some way altered.”
Second, the freedom that you think you have is not a real freedom. It is actually limiting all individual faith/religions/ideologies/philosophies upto your individual level only. You or majority do not have a right to impose or expand the implication of your or any other faith on collective level.
But not all matters/issues of an ideal full-fledge faith can be followed and implement truly on mere individual level. There are some aspects of it which can be acheived on individual level but there are many important precepts which require collective effort and a state-force to impose on the society in order to acheive the real purpose and goal of those precepts.
For example praying to God is an individual matter/issue and for this all you need is some leisure time and you can pray either individually or with a group that you like without external help. But when it comes to eradicating isuues like prostitution, it requires state force on collective level because prostitution is not an individual issue. It’s evil impact destroys the collective life like a cancer. Here if you say “well, I don’t care if people of other faith or even my own faith are indulge in prostition, since I am free not to do it and I am not doing nor am I going to prostitutes”. Then my question is the government that you living under with, is in fact a true Christian? No, because it is allowing others to engage freely and openly in prostitution and even adertise the “noble” profession through your free media, thus prostitutes are called social workers and have lisences. Do you think Christ would have allowed prostitues to engage in prostituion and spread their STDs and AIDS and spoil the spirituality of his followers?
If you say “Well, I am not a gay or lesbian, but I don’t care if others are gay or lesbians” this type of answer does not reflect your tolerance rather your selfishness. Because you know that homosexuality is a crime, a sin and anti-social and it affects collective life. If Christ was in your midst, he would never allow his followers to allow these homosexuals to come forward openly and be proud to be gays or lesbians. He did not forgave those doctors of law of Moses-the scriobes and the Pharisees, how he could have forgiven prostitutes, gays and lesbians of your so-called free society or those who give them free license to these evil elements who have no shame, no human dignity, no integrity and no pride?
These examples are just to show you the range of your “relgion” in the society you are in and to show you how exemplery your free society is.
Allowing your kids to do whatever they like is not a freedom. Nor restricting the role of relgion only to individual level is sign of a true ideal fee society. If a society claims she believes in the teachings of Christ, then it must display and prove on individual and collective level that she indeed is Christ-follower.
Allowing all kinds of criminal and ant-society activities such as gays, lesbians, prostiotuion, gambling, pornography, hard liquor, nudisim, free-mingling of opposite sex at the beaches or dance parties is not truly Christian nor the signs of a healthy free society. It is hipocrisy and thus all of your excuses to support this type of society of yours is due to Satan’s deception. Satan deceives men in different ways in an unfelt manner that you many times utterly fail to recognise his con-artistry. I was so delighted to hear from FAITH, that “Satan has experience of millions of years”. Very true. Thus he is able to confuse you that you are a Christ-follower when in fact you are not. You are a promoter of ani-Christ activities such as pornography, gambling, prostituion, hoomosexuality etc. And the society whose elected officials/goverment promote all these anti-Christ and ills, you call it free-society? May God have mercy on your understanding power.

Understand wisdom by wisdom. Understanding wisdom by being wise is true wisdom. Who does not understand wisdom even after understanding it, He is…what? Unwise.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

How many methodist churches in Saudi Arabia? We even let you muslims worship freely and evangelize those few lunatics who care to listen. Part of that freedom is respecting the rights of religions you don’t agree with. That’s why we don’t have nudists at Mass. All religions are protected. It’s a great system. You should try it.

Hi cestusdei,

Here too you have a misconception. The faith of Moslems–Islam-- is not a relgion, first of all. Your idea or meaning of the term “relgion” does not apply to faith of Islam. Islam means total submission and applying it on every part of human life. This is in perfect line with what Christ said. preached and took the utmost trouble to convey his mission thus he even condemned, in the strongest words, the most learned and doctors of law of Moses of his period (scribes and ther Pharisees) because they were not following the law in all affairs of their lives (on individual and collective level). But unfortunately, the meaning of Christ’s Way and his faith is totally changed and turned into a set of some rituals and individiual precepts and named as ‘religion’. This type of religion can be observed anywhere in the world even in the Hell.
But Islam of Moslem is what Christ intended and preached. It’s role must manifest in it’s entirety in all fields of human life. Role means laws and commandments of God. And obviously a true Moslem cannot follow whole of Islam, in any Western so-called “free” society where all kinds of evil and ills of immorality are allowed. Why an ideal Moslem cannot follow whole of Islam? Because , as I said earlier, Islam too has individual and collective aspects. Collective aspect can only be applied through a state enforcement. Since state in the Western society does not adopt Islamic shar’iah because Western society has it’s own precepts of their founding fathers, thus collective aspect of Islam cannot to enforced thus an ideal Moslem in order to practice his full-flege form of Islam, cannot follow whole of Islam thus he is limited to follow only individual aspect like for example praying, fasting and giving charity to poor or going to Hajj etc.
But when it comes to save himself and his family from other ills and filth of Western “free” society, his is constantly busy in doing Jihad-struggle because Satanism is dancing nakedly out there thus he had to spent a great part of his life, time and efforts in combating and saving himself and his children all the time on constant basis because he is helpless in changing the collective ill situtation because State will not allow him to interfere in lagislative matters of the state.
It is like a surgeon who lives in a village where no essential surgery equipments are avaible nor he is allowed to gain them, as such he cannot perform surgery and practice his expertise and benefits others and himself from it. But in order to survive he just limited himself working as a regular doctor or nurse.
If a Moslem lives in an ideal Moslem state where Islam is fully enforced, he can save his lot of time and energy thus he did not have to worry about his family and children because in this society there is no room for prostitution, gambling, drinking, drugs, pornography, nudism, homosexuality etc. Thus a Moslem can only follow whole of his Islam only in a Shari’ah based society.
Your suggestion that Moslem should adopt Western from of “freedom” is laughable. Because following it means, tieing your own hands with a rope borrowed from an enemy or inviting a bull to come and hit you.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

It is not the job of our government to preach any religion. Simply to guarantee the freedom of each person to practice their own faith. There is no favoritism. People are free to believe or not believe in evolution.

Hi cestusdei,

I already explained in detail that the faith of Moslems is not a religion. It is a whole System and complete solution for all areas of human life. No western democracy can compete with Islamic form of shar’aih. Moslem shari’ah is the ideal form of Christ’s Way to produce an ultimate peace and gain Eternal life.
Western democracy can give Moslem, only a limited freedom to follow some precepts, but Western democracy itself is anti-Christ and those who follow this democracy wholeheartedly will never enter the Kingdom of heaven because their righteousness must exceed that of scribes and the Pharisees and those who came up with an idea of Western democracy is worst than the scribes and the Pharisees. How dare you advice Moslems (who are already on the path of Christ’s Way) to adopt your anti-Christ system (western democracy)?