Mary and her role? (Multi-Merged)

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I guess today’s blog post was brought to you by Proverbs 26:4. I was hoping he really cared about becoming a Catholic and I am really sad if he had different motives.
 
ProdigalSun said:
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LOL are you guys still at it. I’m sure you have all heard know that we should not throw our pearls before the swine. This troll has asked and he has been answered so many times it is laughable. If he were truly here for answers his thick skin and hard heart would have been penetrated enough that he would understand what we are explaining to him. THis is not his reason for being here. He is playing with you acting the fool trying to show how hypocritical we are but it truly only shows his hypocracy. All he neeeds to do is go to Mass and his guestions would be ansewered.

Let us pray for him espeacilally to our most Holy Mother the one he wishs to disparage the most.

Immaculate Mary our beloed Mother. Spouse to the Holy spirit and the true Mother of God. I ask you to watch over our brother Amos that his eyes and ears be open to CHrist and his CHurch.

Amen!
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What’s weird is now I’m being called a swine. Did it ever occur to you that after I’ve read and studied my grandfathers missal and prayers, that I’m interested in becoming Catholic.

It is your members on this forum that disparage the Holy Mother because a big number of you say you have to pray to her, even when praying to her and the saints is found in the masses over and over again.

What’s making me have second thoughts about all of this is that Catholics are not “one” after all because you have some that say you do need to pray to Mary and the saints and some say that you never have to pray to Mary and the saints.
 
KP3243 said:
As He has promised to intercede for us (John 14:16), and is said to do so (Romans 8:34; Hebrews 7:25), we may ask His intercession, though this is not customary in public worship. He prays in virtue of His own merits; the saints intercede for us in virtue of His merits, not their own. Consequently when we pray to them, it is to ask for their intercession in our behalf, not to expect that they can bestow gifts on us of their own power, or obtain them in virtue of their own merit. Even the souls in purgatory, according to the common opinion of theologians, pray to God to move the faithful to offer prayers, sacrifices, and expiatory works for them. They also pray for themselves and for souls still on earth. The fact that Christ knows the future, or that the saints may know many future things, does not prevent them from praying. As they foresee the future, so also they foresee how its happenings may be influenced by their prayers, and they at least by prayer do all in their power to bring about what is best, though those for whom they pray may not dispose themselves for the blessings thus invoked. The just can pray, and sinners also. The opinion of Quesnel that the prayer of the sinned adds to his sin was condemned by Clement XI (Denzinger, 10 ed., n. 1409). Though there is no supernatural merit in the sinner’s prayer, it may be heard, and indeed he is obliged to make it just as before he sinned. No matter how hardened he may become in sin, he needs and is bound to pray to be delivered from it and from the temptations which beset him. His prayer could offend God only if it were hypocritical, or presumptuous, as if he should ask God to suffer him to continue in his evil course. It goes without saying that in hell prayer is impossible; neither devils nor lost souls can pray, or be the object of prayer.
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I never said I had a problem with praying to saints and Mary. You did. All I asked is if its necessary to pray to Mary and the saints to be Catholic.

What I have a problem with is that I am getting 2 answers on this forum. Some say you never have to pray to Mary and the saints and others say yes you do at least once per week in the Mass.

Why the anger and personal attacks?

Are people here afraid to say “Yes” Catholics are required to pray to Mary and the saints in mass?
 
AmosTown said:
I don’t know. That is why I’m asking you. I hope you just tell me whether or not you have to pray to saints and Mary in the Mass** to be Catholic.**

Catholics pray together in mass and in the masses there are prayers to saints and Mary. Do you have to pray these prayers to be Catholic? Or can you ignore them and not pray them? I’ve gotten answers that say you don’t have to pray them but that is opposite the idea of the mass is one prayer said together with one heart and offered to God.
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AmosTown said:
Then what you are saying is** to be a Catholic **and if Form A prayers are prayed together at Mass then Catholics must pray for the intercession of Mary and the angels and saints. ?
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AmosTown said:
I think this is a very simple question. “Do Catholics have to pray to Mary and saints to be Catholic?”

What can be so hard about this question I don’t know. I’m sitting here reading page after page of Catholic books and just when I’m getting somewhere on thinking I understand Catholics, I see posts on Catholic Answers that say “Catholics do NO have to pray to Mary and Saints to be Catholic”

That is opposite the teaching that the mass prayers are said together as One heart to God.
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What is so hard is that you are not reading the responses you have been given.

“To be Catholic” does not mean that one never sins. If you are Catholic and deny a teaching of the Church or refuse to fully participate at Mass, you are stil Catholic but are committing a grave sin.

You can not be a faithful Catholic if you deny the Church’s teaching about Mary and the saints. Or if you deny the Church’s teaching on other matters of doctrine, for that matter. But you will still “be a Catholic.”
 
KP3243 said:
I guess today’s blog post was brought to you by Proverbs 26:4. I was hoping he really cared about becoming a Catholic and I am really sad if he had different motives.
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This is mean spirited. Doesn’t this forum have rules about being mean spirited to others? I’ve done nothing wrong by asking a question
 
AmosTown said:
I never said I had a problem with praying to saints and Mary. You did. All I asked is if its necessary to pray to Mary and the saints to be Catholic.

What I have a problem with is that I am getting 2 answers on this forum. Some say you never have to pray to Mary and the saints and others say yes you do at least once per week in the Mass.

Why the anger and personal attacks?

Are people here afraid to say “Yes” Catholics are required to pray to Mary and the saints in mass?
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You are NOT getting 2 different answers. You are getting answers that apply to different situations,

A: The Communion of saints and the efficacy of intercessory prayer is a definitive teaching of the Church. To deny this teaching makes one a Catholic who is not in good standing with the Church.

B. There are numberous private devotions to Mary and the Saints. A good, faithful Catholic could live his/her whole life and never participate in any of those devotions and still be a Catholic in good standing.
 
AmosTown said:
I never said I had a problem with praying to saints and Mary. You did. All I asked is if its necessary to pray to Mary and the saints to be Catholic.

What I have a problem with is that I am getting 2 answers on this forum. Some say you never have to pray to Mary and the saints and others say yes you do at least once per week in the Mass.

Why the anger and personal attacks?

Are people here afraid to say “Yes” Catholics are required to pray to Mary and the saints in mass?
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You had issues and questions PRIOR to coming to this forum. Your “problem” does not stem from this forum.
 
Corki said:
You are NOT getting 2 different answers. You are getting answers that apply to different situations,

A: The Communion of saints and the efficacy of intercessory prayer is a definitive teaching of the Church. To deny this teaching makes one a Catholic who is not in good standing with the Church.

B. There are numberous private devotions to Mary and the Saints. A good, faithful Catholic could live his/her whole life and never participate in any of those devotions and still be a Catholic in good standing.
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Why do many people here keep running off to ‘private’ devotion. I’ve already got an answer now from enough people to know that to be a Catholic you must pray to Mary and the saints, at least one a week at Mass.
 
ProdigalSun said:
His ignorance of Catholicism and CHristianity as it has always been correctly understood for 2000 years seeps out of his pours. His Yes & No Questions have been answered ad nauseum!🤷
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As has his follow up questions as well. 🤷
 
ProdigalSun said:
Now anyminute he will come back with… " I’m being treated so poorly by everyone here I only want an easy Yes or No Answer" Visualize Puss n’ Boots here with his big round eyes trying to gain our sympathy. He has been answered Yes and No because he asks to different questions trying to get us to believe they are one question.

If he was truthful he would come out and talk about his real issue and that is his problem with the Communion of Saints.

Peace!
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You call it…Post #358.👍
 
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No, it was not uncharitable; if it sounded that way, I apologize. I was pointing out that you had issues, in the form of questions, PRIOR to coming to the forum. Your above quote made it seem as if the forum was the cause of your ‘problem’. . People ARE answering you.I hope they are helpful.
 
AmosTown said:
This is mean spirited. Doesn’t this forum have rules about being mean spirited to others? I’ve done nothing wrong by asking a question
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It is not. I never said it was a fact and I said if. I spent the entire afternoon trying to help you out of love for you as my brother or sister who I felt was very confused. People don’t do that if they don’t care.
 
AmosTown said:
Why do many people here keep running off to ‘private’ devotion. .
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Because in your first post on this thread, you quoted po18guy’s comment about private devotions?
I’ve already got an answer now from enough people to know that to be a Catholic you must pray to Mary and the saints, at least one a week at Mass
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Please, PLEASE, read the responses. That is not what anyone said. You will still be Catholic even if you do not pray to Mary and the Saints. I REPEAT - YOU WILL STILL BE CATHOLIC.

It is only if you act that way* out of denial of Church teaching *that you cause a problem for yourself.
 
cheezey said:
No, it was not uncharitable; if it sounded that way, I apologise. I was pointing out that you had issues, in the form of questions, PRIOR to coming to the forum. Your above quote made it seem as if the forum was the cause of your ‘problem’. . People ARE answering you.I hope they are helpful.
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Yes. Thank you. Its been helpful I think. I’m still a little bit confused because the all the variations of the answer.

I think I have my answer. It is a true statement that to be Catholic you must pray to Mary and the saints, at least once a week in Mass.

pray - entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea
 
Have you read the Book of Tobit yet? It should help with your concerns about intercession and sometimes the angels and saints intercede for you without you specifically praying to them or asking a specific saint or angel to pray for you. This would also be consistent with the Wedding Feast at Cana where Mary intercedes for the couple when they run out of wine.
 
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