Mary worship? I don’t think so

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annad347 said:
there is a difference between praying to… and praying for?
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Absolutely. When someone asks you to pray for them, they are praying to you.

Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now & at the hour of our death.
 
I’m sorry but that makes no sense, no body prays to me… nor would I want anyone to pray to me… asking someone to do something is not praying to them.
 
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annad347 said:
I’m sorry but that makes no sense, no body prays to me… nor would I want anyone to pray to me… asking someone to do something is not praying to them
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& I think that’s the disconnect here.

We think of the Saints as living people, like you & me. We venerate them, recognizing the good work God has done in them, with them, & through them.

One day, God willing, we’ll be thanking the Almighty for the great deeds He’s worked for you.
 
God willing, we will.

Until the time we can thank Him face to face, we can thank Him in our prayers. 🙂
 
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I am praying to you right now, and you are praying to us on the forum. “To pray” means “to ask”. It’s communication, that’s all.

That’s why I prayed you be consistent, if you don’t want to pray to saints in Heaven, why pray to saints on Earth? It’s not as different as you seem to think.
 
annad347 said:
Which of their commandments have I broken, which of their laws have I not obeyed…how have I sinned against them, that I need to ask them for forgiveness? Maybe there’s a reason the Holy Spirit led those who changed the words, the need to change the words.
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When we sin against God, we also sin against all who adore Him in their blessed state. And no, you are not permitted to believe that any of the Church’s liturgical rites can be wrong in expressing the belief of the Church. The worship that’s due to God alone is the offering of the Eucharist on all altars consecrated to the Trinity. Those who do not even intend to do this do not worship God at all.
annad347 said:
The only way to show honor and respect to someone is to pray to them?
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Well you can always pray either the old or the new confiteor each day and strive to imitate their holy earthly lives. By these you would be honoring all the holy angels and saints in heaven.

We are bound even by natural law to honor our superiors. And all who attained beatific vision deserve our reverence because they are superior to us. But God alone deserves to have a physical object being offered to him. Such is the nature of sacrifice.
 
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You think the Memorare is worship? Proves you don’t even know what worship is!

I am regularly told to pray it for penance by my confessors. Obviously, they know better than you.
 
BabyWitch said:
As a Wiccan, I believe the figure of Mary in Christianity is very important. For longer than we can know, the feminine aspect of divinity has been ignored. It is with the veneration of Mary that the Goddess figure is honored again.
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Mary is not divine, Mary is human. Mary is not a goddess or goddess figure.
 
Anesti33 said:
You think the Memorare is worship? Proves you don’t even know what worship is!

I am regularly told to pray it for penance by my confessors. Obviously, they know better than you.
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Veneration worship has three principal acts; see Modern Catholic Dictionary below.
whereby the angels and saints are honored for their sanctity, asked to intercede before the divine Majesty, and imitated in their love and service of God.
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Certainly intercession is sought in the Memorare.

Memorare
Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thine intercession was left unaided.
… O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me.
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francIsca.chapter4 said:
The above is not Mary worship. It is asking for Mary’s intercessor (Mary to pray for us).

Below is Mary Worship (my bold).
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Considering your multiple threads insisting that the Church cannot call Mary the Mother of God, I’m inclined to believe your understanding of Mariolatry is flawed in general. The Memorare is not worshipping her like she’s God.
 
Yes I agree. Of course this is not the teaching of the Church, but some people tend to go overboard in their veneration of Mary. I think we just have to be mindful of this, and remember Mary’s unique role as our special Intercessor to God.
 
Folks: Francisca.chapter4 appears to be the return of a previously banned poster who posted here as francisca.chapter3 and francisca.chapter2 and has a habit/ agenda of making posts about Marian titles and Marian prayers that don’t comport with Church teaching.

I would recommend just not responding. Moderation has been notified.
 
Please don’t muddy the waters. The modern usage of “worship” is to denote latria only.
 
Pixle_Catholic said:
Everything about Mary points to Jesus Christ.
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Everything created points to God yet it is possible to mess up the focus.
It is in the eyes of the beholder.

The pointing to Christ and His glory and His glorifying Mary is a fine line that some seem to mismanage.
 
francIsca.chapter4 said:
We supposed to put our trust in God and not in human (Jeremiah 17:6). What a holy saint can do is praying for us, and become our example. We should not say sentences which are reserved for God alone, to Mary.
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We trust in Mary because we trust in God. The Almighty has done great things for her. And she tells to do what He tells us to do.
AlNg said:
before thee I stand, sinful
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Do you stop being a sinner because you’re standing in front of a human?
AlNg said:
despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me, Amen .
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What’s wrong with this? Do you have a problem with the Centurion saying he was unworthy to have Jesus under His roof? Or St. John the Baptist saying he was unworthy to carry the very sandals of Christ? Or St. Francis believing he was unworthy of the priesthood because of his sins? What great humility it takes to realize one’s own sins that one is not worthy to be in front of the King’s most faithful and trusted servant. If you had hurt a very close friend of yours and tried to approach another to assist in your reconciliation with that harmed friend, would you be acting haughty in front of that friend? Would you not take a pleading tone asking them for help in meditating? And does that friend’s help detract from the forgiveness of your slighted friend? No.

Again, you have very erroneous ideas on Mariology. Please talk to a priest.
 
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Also from the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary
When your days are fulfilled to go to be with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for me, and I will establish his throne for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son; I will not take my steadfast love from him, as I took it from him who was before you, but I will confirm him in my house and in my kingdom for ever and his throne shall be established for ever.’" In accordance with all these words, and in accordance with all this vision, Nathan spoke to David

RESPONSORY

R. Blessed are you, Virgin Mary! You bore in your womb the Lord, the Creator of the world. * You gave birth to him who made you, and you remained a virgin forever. (E.T. Alleluia)

V. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you! *You gave birth to him who made you, and you remained a virgin forever. (E.T. Alleluia)
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Anesti33 said:
That’s why I prayed you be consistent, if you don’t want to pray to saints in Heaven, why pray to saints on Earth? It’s not as different as you seem to think.
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I don’t so I am consistent, I never pray to anyone on earth, nor do I pray to anyone in heaven, other then the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

To pray is to ask someone for something, and to pray to God are very different… unless the only reason you pray to God is to ask Him for something.

They have to be different.
Aci said:
Yes I agree. Of course this is not the teaching of the Church, but some people tend to go overboard in their veneration of Mary. I think we just have to be mindful of this, and remember Mary’s unique role as our special Intercessor to God.
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Exactly… and someone like me feel safer by avoiding the situation all together, by not participating.

Also, if I talked to the priests, RCIA and other members of the Catholic church I attend… explained to them why I don’t say prayers to Mary and saints, then they assure me its not a necessary part of being a Catholic, that I can participate in church services and not say them… tell me to just remain seated or quiet when they say prayers to Mary or saints… and yet they know I’m saying prayers to them, without my knowledge that’s the worse thing they can do… they just killed my trust… and that’s a shame. 😦
 
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