Droning or praying. Whatever you want to call it is fine. However, for you to say that it was mindless or dulled the senses for anyone except yourself would give you a supernatural ability that I doubt you want to claim you have. Right?
Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, I suppose.
Yes. Just not ONLY to the Father.
The Son. The Holy Spirit.
So, from your experience – which isn’t necessarily the experience of all Catholics at all times – you’ve decided that the prayer form (which, as you admit, you weren’t even attempting to do with your whole heart) is wrong? Tell me… when kids are trying to learn to play baseball, but cannot hit the ball to save their life, does this mean that baseball is wrong?
Yes it is a framework, a pattern for prayer. It is what we build our prayers on. They are to be directed to the Father.Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, I suppose.
That’s not the point, though: you claim that the Lord’s Prayer is only a model for prayer, right? But, in Luke 11, Jesus doesn’t instruct his disciples “say something along these lines”, but rather, “say ‘Father of us, who is in heaven…’”.
I’m not claiming that Jesus is telling us to pray to the Father – I’m demonstrating that it’s a prayer that we’re being directed to pray and not a model for prayer…
You all have been telling me that it is the imperative to pray to the Father. It’s not optional.
Great. Could you show me, please, where the text of Luke 11 mentions that this is just a ‘framework’ or a ‘pattern’? Thanks!
No I was a good catholic and did everything I was told. I was being attentive.So, from your experience – which isn’t necessarily the experience of all Catholics at all times – you’ve decided that the prayer form (which, as you admit, you weren’t even attempting to do with your whole heart) is wrong? Tell me… when kids are trying to learn to play baseball, but cannot hit the ball to save their life, does this mean that baseball is wrong?
Yes, but Scripture shows prayer to Jesus as well:
So, when others say that praying the rosary is a means to immerse oneself in Scripture and meditate on the mysteries, how do you understand them? That, since you didn’t experience it, they’re lying? Or that, perhaps, there is a more efficacious way to pray the rosary that you never experienced?
You add your needs into it. That’s ludacris to think you can only ask the Father the our Father.Great. Could you show me, please, where the text of Luke 11 mentions that this is just a ‘framework’ or a ‘pattern’? Thanks!
Yes. Only God grants prayers. Were you under the misapprehension that Catholics believe otherwise?
What does this mean? He gets in between us and prayer?
Let’s make sure that we understand each other before we continue:
Amen! We do pray to the Father.
Could you answer these questions, jericho? Thanks.
You told me in post 52 that it was imperative to pray to the Father. Not optional. Please let me know how you reconcile your previous statement with your current position?
Our Father in heaven,
It’s where you insert the “only” part where the error occurs.
I don’t understand them. Constantly repeating the same thing over and over again leads to mental fatigue and lethargy.So, when others say that praying the rosary is a means to immerse oneself in Scripture and meditate on the mysteries, how do you understand them? That, since you didn’t experience it, they’re lying? Or that, perhaps, there is a more efficacious way to pray the rosary that you never experienced?
In you perhaps. But not in everyone.
Hail, full of grace…