Matthew 6:7 Repeating prayer

[PeaceInChrist]

What is the purpose in repeating the same prayer over and over again five, ten or twenty times in a row? Is God unable to hear you the first time? What is the reason for doing this? Does it carry more power the more times you repeat it?

First, that is not an answer, probably because if you give an answer, you will realize that it is simply you making an arbitrary limit with no actual defense, because if you say the ‘Our Father’ more than once in your lifetime, you have repeated a prayer and asked the same thing.

Secondly, devotional prayer is an offering to God, and benefits the one who prays. If one gives time to God in prayer, or in anything offered to Him, He will give back. He said so many times.

What, then, do you make of Luke 18: 1-8 (or also Luke 11: 5-13)

And he told them a parable, to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. 2 He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor regarded man; 3 and there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Vindicate me against my adversary.’ 4 For a while he refused; but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor regard man, 5 yet because this widow bothers me, I will vindicate her, or she will wear me out by her continual coming.’” 6 And the Lord said, “Hear what the unrighteous judge says. 7 And will not God vindicate his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? 8 I tell you, he will vindicate them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on earth?”

So tell me, do you equate praying the Our Father multiple times to the vain prayer of heathens? Do you equate Christ praying to His Father, asking the same thing three times in a row, to be the same as the vain prayers of heathens?

 

[jericho777]

Prodigal_Son1:
He simply asked His Father a direct question if there was another way. That is not the same as saying ten our Fathers consecetively.

 

[PeaceInChrist]

He simply asked His Father a direct question if there was another way. That is not the same as saying ten our Fathers consecetively.

He did not ask a question. He said that if the cup could be passed, to pass it from Him. He petitioned God for something. The Our Father is also a prayer of petition, asking many things of God. Why is praying this twice, or three times, or ten, different from Jesus praying in the garden three times, petitioning the exact same thing? Please read my edit to my previous post, think on it, and answer.

 

[jericho777]

First, that is not an answer, probably because if you give an answer, you will realize that it is simply you making an arbitrary limit with no actual defense, because if you say the ‘Our Father’ more than once in your lifetime, you have repeated a prayer and asked the same thing.

Secondly, devotional prayer is an offering to God, and benefits the one who prays. If one gives time to God in prayer, or in anything offered to Him, He will give back. He said so many times.

What, then, do you make of Luke 18: 1-8 (or also Luke 11: 5-13)

And he told them a parable, to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. 2 He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor regarded man; 3 and there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Vindicate me against my adversary.’ 4 For a while he refused; but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor regard man, 5 yet because this widow bothers me, I will vindicate her, or she will wear me out by her continual coming.’” 6 And the Lord said, “Hear what the unrighteous judge says. 7 And will not God vindicate his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? 8 I tell you, he will vindicate them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on earth?”

So tell me, do you equate praying the Our Father multiple times to the vain prayer of heathens? Do you equate Christ praying to His Father, asking the same thing three times in a row, to be the same as the vain prayers of heathens?

It is a perfect answer what value is there in consecetive repetition of a wrote prayer? God heard you the first time. Pagans say the same prayers repeatedly like a mantra thinking it is of more effect.

The woman in the parable was speaking to the issue at hand. She was directly asking for vindication. Thats what she asked for. She didn’t pray Hail Mary’s.

There is no reason to pray 10 our Fathers in succession. Jesus was asking His Father a question there is a difference.

 

[The_Serpent]

When Jesus has has Passover / Last Supper. Are there not repetitive refrains in the Jewish Passover ceremony?

 

[jericho777]

He did not ask a question. He said that if the cup could be passed, to pass it from Him. He petitioned God for something. The Our Father is also a prayer of petition, asking many things of God. Why is praying this twice, or three times, or ten, different from Jesus praying in the garden three times, petitioning the exact same thing? Please read my edit to my previous post, think on it, and answer.

It certainly sounds like He is asking a question. “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.” Otherwise what is the purpose of the statement?

Jesus didn’t pray the our Father did He. Jesus’ prayer was directed to the issue at hand.
Prayer is speaking to God. I go to Him in unscripted words pouring my heart out. There is a big difference in that.

I don’t know what your edit was?

 

[jericho777]

When Jesus has has Passover / Last Supper. Are there not repetitive refrains in the Jewish Passover ceremony?

The purpose of a repetitive refrain is different than saying 10 our Fathers to get someone out of purgatory.

 

[po18guy]

po18guy;10804182:

Ask the Lord Jesus, who addressed the Father at Gethsemane in the same words three times! Did God not hear His own Son?

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He was asking the Father a question. He wasn’t repeating a wrote prayer repeatedly to gain an unrelated benefit from the words of the prayer. IE saying ten our Fathers to see if there was another way to bring salvation to us.

“Using the same words” (Matthew 26:44, Mark 14:39) By apparently being judgmental of others’ hearts, you do realize that you accuse the 1.5 billion Catholics and Orthodox, and the tens of millions of - fellow protestant - Lutherans, Anglicans and Episcopalians of vain repetition? Are you sure this is what you are trying to express?

Or, could it just be that your understanding of the history of Christian prayer is not yet perfect?

 

[PeaceInChrist]

It is a perfect answer what value is there in consecetive repetition of a wrote prayer? God heard you the first time. Pagans say the same prayers repeatedly like a mantra thinking it is of more effect.

The woman in the parable was speaking to the issue at hand. She was directly asking for vindication. Thats what she asked for. She didn’t pray Hail Mary’s.

There is no reason to pray 10 our Fathers in succession. Jesus was asking His Father a question there is a difference.

“My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me" - Jesus, in the garden

“Give us this day, our daily bread” - Jesus, from the Our Father

Both prayers were prayers of petition. You are failing thus far to convince me that they were different.

Also, the widow asked repeatedly. In Luke 11, Jesus says that because of the man’s importunity (to harass with persistent requests; demand of (someone) insistently), what he asks will be given. He then says to ask, and it will be given.

Why, if Jesus asked insistently, are we not to ask insistently? In fact, Jesus modeled the perfect form of repeating a request to the Lord: that we petition Him, but ultimately submit to His will.

Additionally, why did Jesus give the Samaritan woman what she asked only after she had asked repeatedly? Why didn’t He condemn her for petitioning the same request more than once? Your Scripture reading is out of context. The Lord never forbid us from repeating a prayer more than once.

 

[po18guy]

The purpose of a repetitive refrain is different than saying 10 our Fathers to get someone out of purgatory.

How can you possibly know this?

 

[po18guy]

What we are witnessing in this thread, for the umpteenth time, is the utter failure of trying to understand Christ from the partial, fragmentary written record. Error is guaranteed.

 

[po18guy]

You are right I just tell them I love them. I don’t say unrelated words to my thought.

Our unceasing prayer is not wrote but specific prayer to the exact needs at hand.

How many times have you, or pastor, or everyone you know said in prayer, “Lord, we just ask you…”

Hundreds. Thousands.

You do not understand contemplative prayer as your denomination does not practice it.

 

[jericho777]

“My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me" - Jesus, in the garden

“Give us this day, our daily bread” - Jesus, from the Our Father

Both prayers were prayers of petition. You are failing thus far to convince me that they were different.

Also, the widow asked repeatedly. In Luke 11, Jesus says that because of the man’s importunity (to harass with persistent requests; demand of (someone) insistently), what he asks will be given. He then says to ask, and it will be given.

Why, if Jesus asked insistently, are we not to ask insistently? In fact, Jesus modeled the perfect form of repeating a request to the Lord: that we petition Him, but ultimately submit to His will.

Additionally, why did Jesus give the Samaritan woman what she asked only after she had asked repeatedly? Why didn’t He condemn her for petitioning the same request more than once? Your Scripture reading is out of context. The Lord never forbid us from repeating a prayer more than once.

Why didn’t Jesus just pray the our Father in the garden?

 

[PeaceInChrist]

The purpose of a repetitive refrain is different than saying 10 our Fathers to get someone out of purgatory.

God accepts all of our offerings to Him, and will give back many times over. Is this not in Scripture?

Why, then, is offering prayer to Him unacceptable, whether written or read or otherwise? Is a Psalm prayed to the Lord somehow less worthy than a ‘personal prayer’? Is saying the same wonderful thing, multiple times, wrong to God, to Whom all things are new?

Additionally, you have failed to convince me that the Lord’s repeated petition, and repeating the Our Father, which contains several petitions, is different. Have you read the Our Father? Everything we ask of the Father in this prayer is for this moment in time, along with the future. We petition God to deliver us from evil, to give us our daily bread, to forgive us our trespasses. These are things we must always ask.

 

[PeaceInChrist]

Why didn’t Jesus just pray the our Father in the garden?

He may have. Scripture doesn’t say everything Jesus said or did. What if He prayed the Our Father more than once in a day? What if the Apostles did? Scripture is silent on whether He did or not, so you cannot presume that He never repeated the Our Father.

Also, you didn’t answer any of my questions in that post. Probably because you cannot. I will pray for you (repeatedly).

So here is the entire post again, so that you may address it:

“My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me" - Jesus, in the garden

“Give us this day, our daily bread” - Jesus, from the Our Father

Both prayers were prayers of petition. You are failing thus far to convince me that they were different.

Also, the widow asked repeatedly. In Luke 11, Jesus says that because of the man’s importunity (to harass with persistent requests; demand of (someone) insistently), what he asks will be given. He then says to ask, and it will be given.

Why, if Jesus asked insistently, are we not to ask insistently? In fact, Jesus modeled the perfect form of repeating a request to the Lord: that we petition Him, but ultimately submit to His will.

Additionally, why did Jesus give the Samaritan woman what she asked only after she had asked repeatedly? Why didn’t He condemn her for petitioning the same request more than once? Your Scripture reading is out of context. The Lord never forbid us from repeating a prayer more than once.

 

[jericho777]

How can you possibly know this?

So the repetitve response prayers at passover are said to get people out of purgatory?

 

[jericho777]

How many times have you, or pastor, or everyone you know said in prayer, “Lord, we just ask you…”

Hundreds. Thousands.

You do not understand contemplative prayer as your denomination does not practice it.

We don’t use prescripted prayers as a universal prayer for everything. You need healing, a job, help with an issue or penance for sin just say prayer “A” 10, 20 or what ever amount of times repetedly.

 

[PRmerger]

What is the purpose in repeating the same prayer over and over again five, ten or twenty times in a row? Is God unable to hear you the first time? What is the reason for doing this? Does it carry more power the more times you repeat it?

Perhaps you should ask the inspired writer of Psalms why he felt it necessary to repeat the same prayer over and over again?

Praise the LORD, for he is good;
for his mercy endures forever;

Praise the God of gods;
for his mercy endures forever;

Praise the Lord of lords;
for his mercy endures forever;

Who alone has done great wonders,
for his mercy endures forever;

Who skillfully made the heavens,
for his mercy endures forever;

Who spread the earth upon the waters,
for his mercy endures forever;

Who made the great lights,
for his mercy endures forever;

 

[PRmerger]

The pagans believed that they will receive extra merit for their many words.

Ok. But Catholics do not believe we will receive extra merit for our many words. Quantity is not valuable, as far as words go.

 

[jericho777]

He may have. Scripture doesn’t say everything Jesus said or did. What if He prayed the Our Father more than once in a day? What if the Apostles did? Scripture is silent on whether He did or not, so you cannot presume that He never repeated the Our Father.

Also, you didn’t answer any of my questions in that post. Probably because you cannot. I will pray for you (repeatedly).

So here is the entire post again, so that you may address it:

THe our Father is a pattern for prayer and not necessarily a prayer per se. Not that it can’t be.

Please see post 25 was my response.