Maundy Thursday
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So, does that mean that the Lord's Supper took place during the night time of the first half of Thursday?
I don't see how it has anything to do with it.
po18guy
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"Evening" is not a precise time, but a general indicator. I go with what Jesus chose to do and what is known about it.
I ask about Sabbatarian belief, as their interpretation of days and hours is crucial to their belief. They are not so much numerologists as they are chronologists.
I ask about Sabbatarian belief, as their interpretation of days and hours is crucial to their belief. They are not so much numerologists as they are chronologists.
But the question to you was "So, does that mean that the Lord's Supper took place during the night time of the first half of Thursday?"
What does Maundy Thursday have to do with the belief that the seventh day Sabbath is still to be observed?
po18guy
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To know your agenda. I think you might be trying too hard by half to disprove the Church Christ founded. I have been surrounded by Adventists for more than 25 years. I know well of their origins and novel and unique beliefs.
I second this. This forum exists to advance the Catholic Faith. While those of all faiths or none are welcome, it would be appreciated for those who question the Catholic Faith just to "come clean", admit they have an issue with this point or that, and be willing to say up front what they believe the truth of the matter to be, so that the Catholic counterpoint can be given.
This might be looking at it through Western eyes, but the common assumption is that the Last Supper took place on what we would call Thursday evening, presumably after the sun had gone down. Our Lord then went on to His agony in the garden that night, and the next day, Friday, during the day, he underwent His passion.
I would invite the OP to set out what you think the chronology was. Using Western time and day conventions is fine. You already know what the Catholic Church says about the matter, let's hear what you have to say.
po18guy
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Forget the Catholic Church. Look into Orthodox Christian origins and beliefs. They trace to 33 AD in the upper room.
I don't know.
So, you're saying that the Catholic's term "Maundy Thursday" is using a midnight-to-midnight calendar day as opposed to the way it was during the Messiah's time.
I do now, assuming that po18guy has it correct that the last supper took place during the second night of Thursday. That's all I wanted to know with regard to the term.
Nothing other than I don't know why the term is using a midnight-to-midnight calendar day instead of the way it was when the Lord's Supper took place some 2000 years ago.
I could only advise you, or anyone else, to look at the traditional practice of the Church. Even though, strictly speaking, the time frame involved would not matter for our salvation, the Holy Ghost would not leave His Church in substantial error as to the days on which these events are honored for 2000 years. We do know from Scripture that Christ's passion took place on the day before the Sabbath (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown), because His body had to be embalmed and buried before sundown. We can then work backwards and forwards from there, reasoning that the Last Supper took place somewhere in the day we call Thursday, and working forwards, if one wants to argue that the resurrection actually took place Sunday night or Monday morning, well, again, that would fly in the face of 2000 years of the Church's Holy Ghost-breathed tradition.
Haydock and other traditional Catholic commentators explain the "three days and three nights" scenario.
What is the tradition of the Church with regard to the part of the day in which the resurrection occurred - night time or daytime?
"on the third day He rose again from the dead"
I do not believe there is a church tradition outlining a specific time of day.
po18guy
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What do the scriptures say?
I don't know of any scriptures which say what the tradition of the Church is.
I was brought up in the tradition that the Lord's Supper took place on a Friday night. Maundy Thursday, though, says that it was sometime on Thursday.
And what is the revealed truth with regard to Maundy Thursday?
Then your tradition was in error. Think, now, if Our Lord had to be buried before sundown on Friday (the beginning of the Jewish sabbath), then how could He have offered the Last Supper after He was crucified?
Here's how the chronology went:
- Sometime on Thursday (I'm not sure we know the exact time of day), He offered the Last Supper.
- His agony in the garden was Thursday night, going, in all likelihood, into the early hours of Friday.
- Sometime during this agony, Judas betrayed Him to the soldiers.
- They then took Him to be scourged, crowned with thorns, and to carry His own cross to Calvary.
- Then He was crucified and died.
- Then He was taken down from the cross and buried, again, on Friday before sundown.
- The "revealed truth", then, according to Scripture, is that the Last Supper happened sometime on what we call Maundy Thursday (from the Latin mandatum, "commandment").
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Maybe so. Po18guy wrote: "The same TRADITION that YOUR tradition teaches..." I merely told him my tradition which doesn't seem to be the same as his tradition.
I don't understand. Who said that the Last Supper was offered after He was crucified?
Look, this topic is simply asking, with regard to Maundy Thursday, when the Lord's supper took place. Was it during the night time of the first half of Thursday or during the daytime of the second half of Thursday?
If you were in Jerusalem back in the Messiah's time, and you asked one of His disciples with regard to the Lord's Supper (or whatever it was called back then) as to which calendar day and which part of the calendar day, i.e., during the night time of the first half of the calendar day or during the daytime of the second half of the calendar day, which calendar day and which part would they have said it took place?