McCarrick Report: a great relief

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Absolutely. In fact we are all victims of these events, especially good priests.
 
My last word on this subject is, as the members of Christ’s Church we are beholden to pray that there are more sheep than goats at the end of time…

Because Jesus said that the sheep and goats WILL BE separated PERMANENTLY, and so we should not be surprised when this turns out to be true, as well. (Matthew 28:20)
 
Tis_Bearself said:
It seems clear from reading the 166 pages of the report I managed to get through before my computer crashed, that much of the problem was due to bishops not reporting the information they were receiving.
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An unfortunate reality for leaders like the Pope is that they are not judged based on the information they had available to them when they made their decisions; they are judged with the unfair assumption that everything we know now was always obvious. Hindsight is 20/20 but foresight is nowhere near as accurate.
 
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And if that includes sins that are also crimes, then go to the PROPER authorities to have these matters investigated and not holy men cuz they aren’t cops
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Ugh that brings up the whole issue of why cops weren’t brought in and secrets were swept under the rug. Why money was paid and hush ups were common.
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A part answer to that came out as part of the Cdl Pells evidence to the Child Sexual Abuse Commission in Australia. In 1962, Cdl Ottaviano, issued the instruction Crimen sollicitationis making the reporting of priestly sex crimes outside of the Church authorities, an excommunicable offense. That was retracted in 2001 by Pope JPII when the extent of the problem was coming to light.

Society was also part of the problem in that the specific crime of child sexual abuse was not even recognized in law until 1973 in the US. In society at large there was always the problem of the occult secrecy in which this particular crime is committed. And the reluctance to believe a child over an adult.

The media has been a big help in bringing to light this ugly aspect of many children’s lives.
 
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StudentMI:
One can speculate why a now saint refused to believe accusations from multiple sources regarding an abusive cleric. One can also speculate why this isn’t the only case where he did so.
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One can speculate about a lot of things. Without telepathy, one can do only that, however. One can’t “know” anything.
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One can clearly “know” that this wasn’t the only time Pope John Paul II refused to believe accusations and proof - recall the case of Fr. Marcial Maciel Delgado of the Legionaries of Christ. What are we to believe about the pope looking the other way in that matter also?
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Pope John Paul II deserved to be canonized and I for one am glad that he was.

Saints aren’t perfect and it seems clear from reading the 166 pages of the report I managed to get through before my computer crashed, that much of the problem was due to bishops not reporting the information they were receiving. Furthermore as the report notes, Pope JPII was used to smears against bishops being used by oppressive regimes in Poland to discredit the Church. Between that and the fact that his focus was on fighting Communism, it’s sad but understandable that he did not do something about this.

Pope Benedict did try to do something about it, so there’s that.
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I value your (name removed by moderator)ut ,the media over here are practically gloating about the news and are happy to run down anybody holy in the Catholic Church without looking at all the details and evidence .I don’t have EWTN at present but I’m guess a clear picture of facts will be found there,my parents will fill me in.
 
Thread still open? Wonders never cease! I’ll go ahead with my two cents:

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) It is so easy for critics to say, after the evidence becomes clearer, that a pope should have addressed the problem sooner.

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) Thank God that saints aren’t perfect! There is hope for us.
 
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I am sorry you have to live in such an anti-Catholic country. I understand the USA used to be like that, but it was long before I was born. Prayers for all you Catholics over there.
 
Pitcairn17 said:
What are we to believe about the pope looking the other way in that matter also?
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You’re implying that the Pope recognized the accusations as true but chose to ignore them. Others here have opined that he did not believe them, mainly because he had experienced communist slander of priests in his native land. I tend to agree with them.
 
Pitcairn17 said:
What are we to believe about the pope looking the other way in that matter also?
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I believe it’s easy for jackals to laugh and walk on the grave of a lion.

Anyone else slandering JPII will just get my ignore button. I’m done putting up with it.
 
Maximian said:
I’m sure I’m not alone in being mightily reassured by the McCarrick Report which makes it clear that the main persons responsible for him getting away with it for so long were Pope Saint John Paul II, Pope Benedict, Cardinal Mueller and Archbishop Vigano. No blame whatever rests with the Holy Father.
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Sarcasm?

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It is disingenuous to make that kind of statement
Maximian said:
I’m sure I’m not alone in being mightily reassured by the McCarrick Report which makes it clear that the main persons responsible for him getting away with it for so long were Pope Saint John Paul II, Pope Benedict, Cardinal Mueller and Archbishop Vigano. No blame whatever rests with the Holy Father.
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and not include the report.


This was not written by the Holy Father. It is the result of a long investigation. The Holy Father did authorize it’s release almost immediately.
Prayers for all those who suffered abuse at the hands of these men and women.
 
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Maximian said:
For example, when a man enters a seminary, he automatically says no to sex. Therefore anyone of either sex, whether lay or clerical, who makes a pass at that seminarian in the seminary is automatically guilty of unwanted sexual advances in the workplace/campus which is a fiorm of sexual harassment.
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This is not how the law works, just FYI.
 
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