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Even though the desire is not a choice, the actions are.
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graceandglory
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Look down next time you’re in the shower.
There’s your answer.
I have lived in the Portland Oregon metropolitan area my whole life. I know MANY homosexuals. I knew them, however, before they entered the homosexual lifestyle. Yes, there is a lifestyle.
Of all the men who I know, every single one of them were raised by their mothers who hated their fathers. They had no father role model in their lives.
Of all the women I know, most of them are not attractive.
Of the attractive one’s they were not raised by their mother, or their mother was incapacitated by physical or mental handicaps. Of ALL the women, they ALL would admit they are attracted to males. They got involved “in the lifestyle” and now can’t get out.They feel that it would be “unfaithful” to leave the lifestyle or leave their partner. Several have mentioned sexual abuse as children. Every woman I know who is or was a practicing homosexual or has mentioned homosexual tendencies, admit that they didn’t always feel that way, they got accustomed to it over time.
With the men, it seems to be a definite socialization thing. No masculine male role model growing up, being raised by a dominant female, starting to look at porn, being drawn to gay porn, and entering the gay “lifestyle” in Portland, leaving their old lives behind. Oops, I forgot about two more, who had a dad in their home growing up, who was never home because he was a Dr.
I have known several homosexuals, through my involvement in music and theater, and being on university campuses for many of the past 25 years. I have known many well enough to know of their family background.
Unfortunately, since 1973 (?) Homosexuality has been removed from the list of sexual deviancies by the APA, and psychologists aren’t legally able to help these people. You can thank the homosexual activist groups for that.
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Note McDonald’s statement:
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Don’t you realize that’s ‘hate speech?’
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rlg94086
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Joe…you do realize that the first part you bolded is not a McDonald’s statement, it is the writing of the “journalist.” I don’t see anything in the second bolded part, the quote of the CEO, that is indicative of “aggressively promoting the homosexual agenda.”
Is there something more incriminating in what the CEO said? If so, could you provide a quote?
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Julianna
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oh no!
Say it isn’t so…first Starbucks…now Mickey D’s!
I guess I should sell my house and look for a cave to live in and cook over an open fire. There is no place left for me to go…I can’t bank because the bank manager is homosexual, I can’t shop at the grocery store, because the cashier is homosexual, I can’t buy a home because the corporate real estate office has 4 homosexual agents…where does the madness end???
This is ridiculas…
Homophobia rears it’s ugly head every once in awhile on CAF.
I will shop where I want, eat and drink what I want, when I want with whom I want. I live in a neighborhood where there are 4 homosexual couples. They are my neighbors. They have no “agenda”. The go to work, pay taxes and contribute to the community.
My are there alot of “beams” in eyes here today.
Say it isn’t so…first Starbucks…now Mickey D’s!I guess I should sell my house and look for a cave to live in and cook over an open fire. There is no place left for me to go…I can’t bank because the bank manager is homosexual, I can’t shop at the grocery store, because the cashier is homosexual, I can’t buy a home because the corporate real estate office has 4 homosexual agents…where does the madness end???
This is ridiculas…
Homophobia rears it’s ugly head every once in awhile on CAF.I will shop where I want, eat and drink what I want, when I want with whom I want. I live in a neighborhood where there are 4 homosexual couples. They are my neighbors. They have no “agenda”. The go to work, pay taxes and contribute to the community.
My are there alot of “beams” in eyes here today.
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Julianna
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droll, rlg, very droll…Havin’ trouble seeing, are ya?
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anamchara
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oh no!
I guess I should sell my house and look for a cave to live in and cook over an open fire. There is no place left for me to go…I can’t bank because the bank manager is homosexual, I can’t shop at the grocery store, because the cashier is homosexual, I can’t buy a home because the corporate real estate office has 4 homosexual agents…where does the madness end???
This is ridiculas…
I will shop where I want, eat and drink what I want, when I want with whom I want. I live in a neighborhood where there are 4 homosexual couples. They are my neighbors. They have no “agenda”. The go to work, pay taxes and contribute to the community.
My are there alot of “beams” in eyes here today.
Oh! I so needed this laugh tonight!!! Thanks Julianna! 
always good to see you come on.Me thinks some would like to us to have all gays sew stars on thier jackets so we know them.
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anamchara
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Something you were born with.
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rlg94086
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Stars?
Me thinks some would like to us to have all gays sew stars on thier jackets so we know them.
Rainbows. 
They already brand their cars with them.
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rlg94086
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I used to think that, until my lesbian neighbor told me “no, it’s a choice.” If homosexuals themselves can’t agree, who am I to make a definitive determination?
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anamchara
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I had a gay friend tell me once that figuring out you are gay is the most horrifying experience for a young person. The pain they under go is more than any young person should have to endure. He told me once “do you honestly believe we would choose this sort of pain and shame? Who in thier right mind would want to ever be in this horrible condition?” The mocking and discrimantion they go through is very real, no one would want to choose that. He died later of AIDS. God rest is soul.I used to think that, until my lesbian neighbor told me “no, it’s a choice.” If homosexuals themselves can’t agree, who am I to make a definitive determination?
Your lesbian neighbor is wrong and filling you full of rubbish. Just my opinion.
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rlg94086
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How very charitable of you. How dare you tell a gay person whether it is a choice or they are born with it!! Do you think she doesn’t know what her own experience is?
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I don’t understand how people can’t just accept the idea that it’s a little of both.How very charitable of you. How dare you tell a gay person whether it is a choice or they are born with it!! Do you think she doesn’t know what her own experience is?
There are studies that show both ways, that upbringing and cause it, and some that say certain combinations of genes, etc, contribute. Like everything else in life I suspect it is grey, a little bit of both.
NO studies on either side have every shown a 100% correlation, and no treatment plans have every had a 100% cure rate. That just screams to me that just like everything else in this fallen world that it’s a grey murky mixture of many things combined together.
Some people may choose to be gay, some may have been born that way. Why does it have to be all or nothing? What other conditions, mental or genetic, are all or nothing? I can’t think of that many, you almost never have a 100% of getting something your parents have had medical wise, or mental health wise.
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whoa, didn’t mean to upset you my friend. I don’t believe it is a choice. I’m sorry. I never will. I’ve know too many gays and I know what they go through. I watch two die from AIDS. I would say some out of rebellion might try it and pretend they are for a while but they are not fully gay.How very charitable of you. How dare you tell a gay person whether it is a choice or they are born with it!! Do you think she doesn’t know what her own experience is?
Saying it’s a choice only gives more fuel to bigots and the far right. Another poster in a different tread from the far crazy right stated that it doesn’t exsist all at
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rlg94086
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Exactly. You have summed up my personal views on the situation. I also believe it is completely plausible that the attractions people have, regardless of their origins, may be on a spectrum of sorts. Based on where someone is on that spectrum, they sometimes identify themselves as gay or bi-sexual (because they genuinely feel both).
Interestingly, some of the gay co-workers I have had don’t accept someone living a “bi-sexual lifestyle” (i.e. having a male and female partner). When this ended up being a real issue for my brother (his wife informed him she was bi and asked if a woman could come live with them), my lesbian coworker said, “What? That is just wrong! She needs to choose.”
It is not a simple question. As a Catholic, I understand the Church teaching on the subject and have no problem telling a gay person what we believe. Bottomline, our actions are always a choice.
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rlg94086
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My apologies for participating in the off-topic derailing of the thread. It always seems to happen when issues of homosexuality come up.
The real question of this thread is whether or not McDonalds (and other companies) is wrong to support a group that is advocating business ownership by gays and lesbians.
As I have said before, I’m not sure why they need a group. I know of many gay business owners, and I don’t know that they have any particular business hurdles. However, I don’t see support by other businesses as some sort of endorsement or “signing onto a Gay Agenda.”
They are businesses promoting business ownership. Some McDonalds franchisees are probably gay. It makes some sense that McDonalds would be supportive of their franchisees.
The real question of this thread is whether or not McDonalds (and other companies) is wrong to support a group that is advocating business ownership by gays and lesbians.
As I have said before, I’m not sure why they need a group. I know of many gay business owners, and I don’t know that they have any particular business hurdles. However, I don’t see support by other businesses as some sort of endorsement or “signing onto a Gay Agenda.”
They are businesses promoting business ownership. Some McDonalds franchisees are probably gay. It makes some sense that McDonalds would be supportive of their franchisees.
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