Men must masturbate?

[tkdnick]

Prayer is definitely an important part. But there is more to be done as well. Quitting the act of masturbation requires a great deal of self-control. It took several attempts at cold turkey quitting before I was finally able to move past that. There is also custody of the eyes that must be pracitced, as well as custody of the mind (still working on those). No, the sexual fantasies and desires do not just go away. Not after something as pervasive as pornography and masturbation have been a part of a person’s life for any amount of time.

It’s going to take time, physical and mental efftort, and a lot of prayer to move past something like that. And it is not easy, but is still a fight that we, as men, need to take up.

 

[CuriousInIL]

I’m 100% sure. I believe what the Church says. I don’t doubt that it’s a sin any more than I doubt adultery is a sin. Sex is pleasurable whether in marriage, whether solo, whether out of marriage… but only married sex is holy. Anything outside of sex with your spouse is a sin.

If only this were true!

 

[Shy_Violet]

It is true. How is it not true? I believe what the church says. Only sex with your spouse is holy. Surely, as a Catholic you believe that.

 

[benjie]

its a proven medical fact that men who do not masturbate are far more likely to get prostate cancer than those who do-just another catholic rule to make yer life more unhappy guys!

 

[Scottgun]

its a proven medical fact that men who do not masturbate are far more likely to get prostate cancer than those who do-just another catholic rule to make yer life more unhappy guys!

My life has improved ten-fold in the happiness department since I kicked this evil habit. Could this be a bit of projection? Plus if there really was a link between prostate cancer and not masterbating the MSM would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Scott

 

[fix]

its a proven medical fact that men who do not masturbate are far more likely to get prostate cancer than those who do-just another catholic rule to make yer life more unhappy guys!

It is not a Church discipline it is a rule from God.

As for prostate cancer and masturbation first it is not a given fact and secondly even if there were a relationship the ends never justify the means.

 

[Scottgun]

A cursory net search turned up this:

The best study to date to test the value of celibacy for promoting good health was an analysis of the mortality rates and causes of death among Catholic priests between 1965 and 1977. Oddly enough, the study was looking for a possible link between celibacy and prostate cancer. However, to their surprise, the researchers found a 30 percent lower mortality rate from prostate and all forms of cancer among the clerics than among the general population and a 15 percent lower death rate in general. . . .

 

[benjie]

give me strength!-anyone on the Catholic internet ever heard of Google-look it up-heres a start ok-1st site of 1st search-

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm

and as to means/end-the things we do/dont do/take/dont take to prevent cancer yet if it sexual-ohhhhhhhh! no you cant do that.
Im certainly going to keep pulling on my end without second thoughts!

Spend less time worrying about yer death and more on yer life!

 

[fix]

give me strength!-anyone on the Catholic internet ever heard of Google-look it up-heres a start ok-1st site of 1st search-

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm

I do not believe everything I read or hear, particularly when studies and stats are used. Follow the headline today and tomorrow they will reverse themself. Science is more than one study or one opinion.

and as to means/end-the things we do/dont do/take/dont take to prevent cancer yet if it sexual-ohhhhhhhh! no you cant do that.

Obeying the moral law is no drag. It is true freedom.

Im certainly going to keep…

Spend less time worrying about yer death and more on yer life!

The quote should be reversed. Do everything while thinking of eternity. Your view is if it feels good do it. Where does that philosophy lead? It leads to death.

 

[Shy_Violet]

benjie:

Im certainly going to keep pulling on my end without second thoughts!

Well, then you’ll be committing mortal sin.

 

[CuriousInIL]

I’m 100% sure. I believe what the Church says. I don’t doubt that it’s a sin any more than I doubt adultery is a sin. Sex is pleasurable whether in marriage, whether solo, whether out of marriage… but only married sex is holy. Anything outside of sex with your spouse is a sin.

If only this were true!

It is true. How is it not true? I believe what the church says. Only sex with your spouse is holy. Surely, as a Catholic you believe that.

Violet
I was trying to be lighthearted with your statement that “anything” other than sex with a spouse was a sin. I know what you meant but the way you said it made me smile. Sorry for the sidetrack.

 

[Scottgun]

give me strength!-anyone on the Catholic internet ever heard of Google-look it up-heres a start ok-1st site of 1st search-

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm

So? Your claim was it was a medically proven fact. It’s not based on one study.

and as to means/end-the things we do/dont do/take/dont take to prevent cancer yet if it sexual-ohhhhhhhh! no you cant do that.

We can do things to prevent cancer, but those means must be moral. Even if we accept the unproven claim that masturbation reduces prostrate cancer, are there other moral means of achieving the same end? Probably.

Im certainly going to keep pulling on my end without second thoughts!

If you are not having second thoughts, you likely would not be here using desperate and fallacious arguments to defend it.

Spend less time worrying about yer death and more on yer life!

Who says I worry? It’s just wrong and I don’t do it because I am a man and not a cat in heat.

 

[Transformer]

its a proven medical fact that men who do not masturbate are far more likely to get prostate cancer than those who do-just another catholic rule to make yer life more unhappy guys!

It is frequent ejaculation that reduces a man’s risk of prostate cancer. That means that child molestation also reduces one’s risk of prostate cancer: Does child molestation suddenly become moral? Of course not! It is clearly and utterly wrong for other reasons. The same goes for masturbation; it doesn’t suddenly become moral because it has one positive benefit. Perhaps if masturbation were the only way in the entire world to combat prostate cancer, we would have a challenging moral dilemma on our hands, but we know that isn’t the case.

It is also unture that masturbation makes one happier. It may for five minutes, but training oneself in lust doesn’t give happiness in the long-run.

God bless.

 

[benjie]

17 July 2003. New York, PSA Rising. Masturbation or any activity that causes ejaculation reduces a man’s risk of prostate cancer, according to Australian researchers. The more often men ejaculate between the ages of 20 and 50, the less likely they are to develop prostate cancer, says Graham Giles after conducting a study for the Victoria, Australia, Cancer Council.

The protective effect of ejaculation, the study found, is greatest when men in their twenties ejaculated on average seven or more times a week. Men in this group were one-third less likely to develop aggressive prostate cancer when compared with men who had ejaculated fewer than three times a week at this age.

You choose to believe what you choose to believe-just as you have chosen to believe in the insurance policy that, although free, is far from it.

Cats on heat vary considerably from humans-they gain no pleasure from the act of intercourse, in fact it is very painfull for them. Humans seem the only mammel that gains pleasure from this act-we have evolved an efficiant and pleasant way of reproducing-therefore elevating our speces above others. If God didnt want this, and if he did make us, why make us like we are. And, if we were made in his image, and the making of babies was by spiritual means, as before original sin-why the reproductive organs-they didnt just sprout after the applefeast!

 

[Scottgun]

17 July 2003. New York, PSA Rising. Masturbation or any activity that causes ejaculation reduces a man’s risk of prostate cancer, according to Australian researchers. The more often men ejaculate between the ages of 20 and 50, the less likely they are to develop prostate cancer, says Graham Giles after conducting a study for the Victoria, Australia, Cancer Council.

The protective effect of ejaculation, the study found, is greatest when men in their twenties ejaculated on average seven or more times a week. Men in this group were one-third less likely to develop aggressive prostate cancer when compared with men who had ejaculated fewer than three times a week at this age.

Again, one study does not constitute a medically proven fact. Since we have no context or methodolgy, this is just my-scientist-can-beat-up-your scientist.

You choose to believe what you choose to believe-just as you have chosen to believe in the insurance policy that, although free, is far from it.

HuH?

Cats on heat vary considerably from humans-they gain no pleasure from the act of intercourse, in fact it is very painfull for them. Humans seem the only mammel that gains pleasure from this act-we have evolved an efficiant and pleasant way of reproducing-therefore elevating our speces above others. If God didnt want this, and if he did make us, why make us like we are. And, if we were made in his image, and the making of babies was by spiritual means, as before original sin-why the reproductive organs-they didnt just sprout after the applefeast!

My point is that we are not slaves to impulses. We can morally reason and act in accordance with that. Masturbation is objectively evil in part because it is dehumanizing as well as objectifying anyone that is fantasized about. If your are doing this, stop. I will pray for you. Talk to your priest for help. Since you identify yourself as a Catholic, let me remind you of Church teaching:

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

Scott

 

[mimontice]

It’s interesting that you bring up the “applefeast”. Your arguement seems to be the same as Adam’s – that your sinfulness is somehow God’s fault.

I guess that means that it’s God’s fault that there are child molesters and animal abusers in the world too.

I certainly wouldn’t want to start the blame game with God. It didn’t turn out too well for Adam.

 

[MojeIme1981]

mercygate:

My experience was that when you engage with reality, you are in a much better place to interact with a spouse in EVERY way, not just sexually. Sexually, when you are in the REAL world, you are engaging with that person and not with some miasma of what you might wish that person to be.

mercygate:

but believe me: the good God has given all of us about 40 million times more sexual energy than we need.

I believe you this one

Scottgun:

Sexual desire and other such things are good in and of themselves, but they are flammable materials, and when temptations come, they are like someone throwing lit matches at your flammable gas can in order to get it to explode. In practical terms for me, it means that when I see an attractive woman, my flammable material starts to vent and look for a spark to light it.

tkdnick:

It’s going to take time, physical and mental efftort, and a lot of prayer to move past something like that. And it is not easy, but is still a fight that we, as men, need to take up.

I’m pretty sure it’s not easy , but I strongly believe that the blessing of achieving it is greater.

So, anyway, here is the collection of quotes, which are enlightening and encouraging. Thanks to all and bye

 

[benjie]

Again, one study does not constitute a medically proven fact. Since we have no context or methodolgy, this is just my-scientist-can-beat-up-your scientist.

how many different studies do i have to display on this forum before you guys stop saying “1 study doesnt make it fact?”

 

[Charybdis]

For anyone who is involved in masturbation, I also agree with a poster up at the very top of this page who said ‘get rid of the pornography!’

Most likely, those who habitually masturbate, also look at pornography in magazines or videos.

I was the same way. I had a small but graphic collection of videos. My wife knew I had them but did not see them, only I did.

Once we began using NFP, our whole marriage turned around! I saw how my sexuality and my body is a temple of the Lord and how I was seriously misusing my body by masturbating. Once I saw that and that the Church taught that it was seriously wrong to masturbate and use my body for my own selfish desires, I stopped cold turkey.

I used prayer and the support of my wife to stop it. One of the first things I did was throw out every scrap of pornography that I had. I have not regretted it.

After that, I never got the urge to masturbate again. It can be done, once you order your life and your sexuality properly with an informated conscience guided by the Holy Spirit and the Church…

 

[benjie]

It’s interesting that you bring up the “applefeast”. Your arguement seems to be the same as Adam’s – that your sinfulness is somehow God’s fault.

I guess that means that it’s God’s fault that there are child molesters and animal abusers in the world too.

I certainly wouldn’t want to start the blame game with God. It didn’t turn out too well for Adam.

nope-yer got it wrong there darlin. Im not blaming any god as theres no god to blame-im saying that if we were created in his image-why have physical reproductive organs when, until the applefeast, we were “supposedly” designed for non-sexual reproduction-if penises were designed for urination-why didnt both man and woman have them-why the reproductive system akin to most mammels if it was originally not suppposed to be used-doesnt make sense-but im sure y’all will find the alswer in scripture LOL