MERGED: Assumption of Mary on a Monday/Obligation?

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Is it the case that the obligation (where it exists) to attend Mass on the Assumption is removed when it occurs on a Monday, or is the solemnity actually translated to the Sunday?

If the Mass is translated to the Sunday, is the Divine Office also translated?

If the DO is also translated, what should be prayed on the Monday?
 
The Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is not a moveable feast.
 
CatholicZ09 said:
The Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is not a moveable feast.
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That’s not what the OP is asking. (S)he’s asking whether the Feast is transfered to the preceding Sunday (as is the case with many Holy Days in the United States such as the Epiphany) or whether the obligation is abrogated entirely. If it is the former then we’d expect the readings and propers to reflect the Assumption rather than those of the 19th Sunday in Ordinary Time (as the actual feast has been transfered). If it is the latter then we’d expect the readings and propers to reflect the 19th Sunday in Ordinary Time, tomorrow’s would reflect those of the Assumption BUT the faithful would not be obligated to attend.

I can’t find an explicit answer, but based on what my parish is doing it appears to be completely abrogated, which I think is a shame. It’s quite pathetic that either our Bishops think so lowly of us or that we Americans really are as spiritually lazy as their overly lenient dispensations would imply. I wish none of the Holy Days were transfered and no obligation were abrogated.
 
Spirithound said:
Is it the case that the obligation (where it exists) to attend Mass on the Assumption is removed when it occurs on a Monday, or is the solemnity actually translated to the Sunday?

If the Mass is translated to the Sunday, is the Divine Office also translated?

If the DO is also translated, what should be prayed on the Monday?
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IF the Mass is translated, then the Divine Office is also translated. On Monday, in that event, the regular weekday cycle would be followed (Psalm from Monday in Psalm week X and Readings from Monday in Week X of Ordinary Time).

The Solemnity may be transferred not only nationally by a conference of bishops, but locally in the case of a titular for a certain church, where it is judged pastorally advantageous.
 
Aelred_Minor said:
Not in the United States. Are you sure that’s true in Canada though?
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The Feast of the Assumption is not a moveable feast anywhere. The Assumption always occurs on August 8th. A moveable feast is one whose date moves around on the calendar (such as Easter’s).
 
xixxvmcm85 said:
The Feast of the Assumption is not a moveable feast anywhere. The Assumption always occurs on August 8th. A moveable feast is one whose date moves around on the calendar (such as Easter’s).
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Its not the 8th, its the 15th
 
So sounds like in the US we don’t have to go to Mass this coming Monday, and the Sunday Liturgy will be the ordinary time one?
 
Hunh, I’ll be… I always thought that when an immoveable Holy Day of Obligation fell on a Monday, the obligation was not abrogated. I thought it was only when it fell on Saturday.
 
xixxvmcm85 said:
The Feast of the Assumption is not a moveable feast anywhere. The Assumption always occurs on August 8th. A moveable feast is one whose date moves around on the calendar (such as Easter’s).
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While it is true that the phrase *moveable feast *refers, in general, to those feasts which are reckoned with respect to Easter, all holy days are capable of being translated by the appropriate authority (as is the case with Epiphany or Corpus Christi in the US).
Can. 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.
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For instance, the bishops of England and Wales translate many holy-days-falling-on-Saturday-or-Monday to the adjacent Sunday.

tee
Liturgical Calendar nerd 🤓
 
Matthew_Holford said:
In my country it is moved to the 14th when 15th falls on a Monday. A decision decreed by our episcopal conference with the recognitio of the Holy See.
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Yes, but that’s not what “moveable feast” means. A moveable feast moves on the calendar due to its relation to the moveable date of Easter, which in turn is moveable because it is determined based on lunar calculations rather than solar ones. The transfer of feasts per the prerogative of the episcopacy isn’t the same.
The Assumption is on 15th August.
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Yeah, I misspoke 😛 . For some reason I was thinking Immaculate Conception while typing.
 
xixxvmcm85 said:
Yes, but that’s not what “moveable feast” means. A moveable feast moves on the calendar due to its relation to the moveable date of Easter, which in turn is moveable because it is determined based on lunar calculations rather than solar ones. The transfer of feasts per the prerogative of the episcopacy isn’t the same.
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Quite! Moveable feasts are those that do not fall on particular dates, e.g. Easter Sunday and those that tend to depend on Easter Sunday such as Ash Wednesday or Pentecost.

However, you spoke of the Assumption as being a moveable feast in the sense that it cannot be moved from the 15th. It can, of course, be so moved.
 
I cannot speak to what the situation is in Canada or other countries, but in the USA, this is the situation:

Solemnities that are never moved or the obligation to attend Mass abrogated (waived):
Immaculate Conception (USA’s patronal feast) on Dec 8.
Christmas (Dec 25)

Solemnities that are moved or not, according to Ecclesiastical Province:
Ascension (Thursday of the 5th Week of Easter or 6th Sunday of Easter)

Solemnities that are moved to Sunday:
Epiphany
Body and Blood of Christ

Solemnities that have the obligation to attend Mass abrogated when falling on Saturday or Monday:
Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God (Jan 1)
Assumption (August 15)
All Saints (Nov 1)

The 1991 decree is given at: usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/general/obligation.shtml.
 
This is why I love the FSSP. They celebrate the Holydays on the correct date and still give lip service to the Bishops. They (so far) have held their ground on these points. So I’ll be celebrating with them next Monday evening at 7:30 pm. A High Mass! 👍
 
bmonk said:
I cannot speak to what the situation is in Canada or other countries, but in the USA, this is the situation:

Solemnities that are never moved or the obligation to attend Mass abrogated (waived):
Immaculate Conception (USA’s patronal feast) on Dec 8.
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The Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception is translated under one circumstance: When 8-Dec falls on a Sunday, it must necessarily be the 2nd Sunday of Advent, which precedes the Solemnity.

The last time this happened (2002) the Solemnity was translated to Mon 9-Dec but (and this is the part that gets me) the obligation to assist at Mass did not attach – Way to honor the national patroness… :rolleyes:

We shall see if it happens again in 2013

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corsair said:
This is why I love the FSSP. They celebrate the Holydays on the correct date and still give lip service to the Bishops. They (so far) have held their ground on these points. So I’ll be celebrating with them next Monday evening at 7:30 pm. A High Mass! 👍
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I always find it rather peculiar that these so-called traditional groups are often in disobedience.
 
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