MERGED: Assumption of Mary on a Monday/Obligation?

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I thought it was a holy day of obligation that wasn’t moved etc but I live in a diocese in the USA where a few holy days are abrogated or moved if they fall on certain days. If I recall right growing up, I don’t recall being told a certain day wasn’t a holy day because it fell on a certain day of the week.

At least I am glad that Immaculate Conception (USA’s patron saint feast) is celebrated & is a holy day of obligation regardless of the day of the week it falls, same for a few others.
 
ciero said:
If they followed the old liturgical books and calendars they would not be celebrating mass at 7:30 pm. (No mass after noon according to the old books) I guess they too, pick and choose which rules they will bend.
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Hello ciero,

They follow the rules the are to follow. There is no question of bending rules that were picked and/or chosen. For instance, the issue you raise is addressed by canon law. They follow the 1983 Code, not the 1917 Code. If there are questions or concerns, the Holy See will (and has) provided direction and clarification.

Dan
 
dans0622 said:
Hello ciero,

They follow the rules the are to follow. There is no question of bending rules that were picked and/or chosen. For instance, the issue you raise is addressed by canon law. They follow the 1983 Code, not the 1917 Code. If there are questions or concerns, the Holy See will (and has) provided direction and clarification.

Dan
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And they have the GALL to call modern Catholics cafeteria Catholics! Go figure 😦
 
tee_eff_em said:
The guide you have in front of you is constructed for use in the United States. I have no idea:shrug: if the company prepares others for other locales.

tee
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Oooops, sorry about that.😊 What Country are you in?
 
ciero said:
And they have the GALL to call modern Catholics cafeteria Catholics! Go figure 😦
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Hello again,

It seems my previous post failed to convey the fact that the FSSP (and similar societies) do not ignore rules they are to follow. You had raised the issue of the time of a celebration of Mass. This is determined by the Code of Canon Law. The 1983 Code allows Mass to be celebrated at any time of the day. The FSSP (et al.) are obliged to observe the 1983 Code. If there are concerns the FSSP has about the 1983 Code and how it might impact the celebration of the Mass according to the 1962 Missal, the problem is resolved by the Holy See, not the FSSP. One example is the issue of who can serve at the altar. This is all I will say about this off-topic issue.

Dan
 
BVM_1221 said:
Oooops, sorry about that.😊 What Country are you in?
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I am also in the USA. But as [post=8221207]noted above[/post], the solemnity may be transferred by the appropriate authority, and by way of example, the bishops of England and Wales have in fact determined the celebration of the Assumption to be celebrated Sunday 14-Aug-2011.

Since the USCCB has not legislated similarly, I would not expect a guide constructed for use in the US to note such a possibility.

tee
 
Matthew_Holford said:
I always find it rather peculiar that these so-called traditional groups are often in disobedience.
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Did you mean the SSPX?

Anyways, I was also wondering about this.

I did go to Mass this evening and there was no mention of the “Assumption of Mary”

There is No Mass tomorrow (August. 15th, 2011, Monday)

So, did I still fulfill the holyday of obligation? 🤷

Here is a website I found…I apologize if this is not Orthodox or within Catholic teachings

catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/LawText/Index/6/SubIndex/98/LawIndex/28

God bless,
goforgoal
 
JGMendes4049 said:
The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary is the national patroness of the United States of America.
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I’m sorry. I still don’t understand. The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary? Not the Virgin Mary herself? :confused:
 
dans0622 said:
Hello again,

It seems my previous post failed to convey the fact that the FSSP (and similar societies) do not ignore rules they are to follow. You had raised the issue of the time of a celebration of Mass. This is determined by the Code of Canon Law. The 1983 Code allows Mass to be celebrated at any time of the day. The FSSP (et al.) are obliged to observe the 1983 Code. If there are concerns the FSSP has about the 1983 Code and how it might impact the celebration of the Mass according to the 1962 Missal, the problem is resolved by the Holy See, not the FSSP. One example is the issue of who can serve at the altar. This is all I will say about this off-topic issue.

Dan
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My problem with this is the mixing of liturgical practice and canon law. If you are going to follow the liturgical practice of 1962 you should follow it completely. Fasting, time of Mass, confession the whole kit and kabottle! This mixing and matching is for the birds. A big complaint of mine about traditional catholics has always been…they want the traditional mass, but NOT the discipline that went along with it. If your going to be traditional go the whole 9 yards or don’t go at all. No picking and choosing! I want the 1962 mass with the 1983 fasting regulations just don’t cut it…it’s really quite silly!
 
goforgoal said:
I did go to Mass this evening and there was no mention of the “Assumption of Mary”

There is No Mass tomorrow (August. 15th, 2011, Monday)

So, did I still fulfill the holyday of obligation? 🤷
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Depends on where you are – For instance as repeatedly noted, in the US there is no obligation to fulfill nor miss this year.

I too went to a 4pm Mass on Sunday and did not note any mention of the Assumption, but I may have missed it as the Mass was conducted in Italian to celebrate the Festa di San Rocco. :dancing:
(The Mass did, of course, meet my Sunday obligation)

tee
 
tee_eff_em said:
Depends on where you are – For instance as repeatedly noted, in the US there is no obligation to fulfill nor miss this year.

I too went to a 4pm Mass on Sunday and did not note any mention of the Assumption, but I may have missed it as the Mass was conducted in Italian to celebrate the Festa di San Rocco. :dancing:
(The Mass did, of course, meet my Sunday obligation)

tee
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It also depends on the Parish. Although it’s not an obligation, some traditional parishes are having special masses.

For example, I noticed by a quick search that several FSSP parishes are having high masses in honor of the Feast of the Assumption, although some of them have disclaimers stating that it is not a Holy day of obligation.

You can bet a lot of the parishioners are treating it as such though.
 
TrueLight said:
It also depends on the Parish.
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Wrong.
TrueLight said:
Although it’s not an obligation
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Right.

The festivity of the celebration has not (I think) been called into question – Only the obligation (if any) to assist at Mass (celebrated at any level of festivity).

tee
Who is just returned from a low, sparsely attended celebration of the Mass, but who had no obligation to satisfy in doing so.
 
If I recall right years ago, most of the holy days in the USA were not abrogated if they fell on certain days of the week. To be honest, I’d rather they be considered holy days as normal but most of the few Masses on Monday for Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary are being held during the day, very few in the evening in my diocese to accommodate those who cannot get off work during the day if they wish to go to Mass.
 
tee_eff_em said:
Wrong.
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I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn’t clear.

The poster you quoted stated that they went to mass and there was no mention of the Assumption and you as well said you went to a mass on Sunday and there was no mention.

So my “It also depends on the parish” was in reference to that. I am saying that some parishes are in fact celebrating it. Not that it is an obligation.
goforgoal said:
Did you mean the SSPX?

Anyways, I was also wondering about this.

I did go to Mass this evening and there was no mention of the “Assumption of Mary”

There is No Mass tomorrow (August. 15th, 2011, Monday)

So, did I still fulfill the holyday of obligation? 🤷

Here is a website I found…I apologize if this is not Orthodox or within Catholic teachings

catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/LawText/Index/6/SubIndex/98/LawIndex/28

God bless,
goforgoal
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tee_eff_em said:
Depends on where you are – For instance as repeatedly noted, in the US there is no obligation to fulfill nor miss this year.

I too went to a 4pm Mass on Sunday and did not note any mention of the Assumption, but I may have missed it as the Mass was conducted in Italian to celebrate the Festa di San Rocco. :dancing:
(The Mass did, of course, meet my Sunday obligation)

tee
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