MERGED: Assumption of Mary on a Monday/Obligation?

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When they fall on a Monday or Saturday, the obligation for the following Holy Days of Obligation has been abrogated in the United States:

Octave of Christmas, Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God (1/1)
Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (8/15)
All Saints (11/1)

Additionally, Ascension Thursday has been moved to a Sunday in the United States except in the ecclesiastical provinces of Boston, Hartford, New York (yay!), Newark, Omaha, and Philadelphia.

All of us in the United States still have to observe the Feast of the Immaculate Conception and Christmas no matter when they fall (and, again, Ascension Thursday for those of us in the Northeast or Nebraska).

Other Holy Days of Obligation have been abrogated entirely or moved to a Sunday.
 
It should be mentioned, though, though not mandatory in the USA, it would do well for a soul to find a Mass offered on this day and assist. You are only hurting yourself if you do not go.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
How typical of the poorly-formed statements made on these fora.
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Yes, especially of people such as yourself who, by their own admission,“labor under a misunderstanding,” when in fact they are poorly informed, and then then criticize others because of that misunderstanding. This is the immaturity of which I spoke. One ought to learn to hold one’s tongue when one is new to the fray.
 
Ok, as it is clear to me that the Divine Office is not translated, I now ask, which takes precedence, Sunday Evening II or Assumption Evening I ?

Thanks!
 
Chatter163 said:
Yes, especially of people such as yourself who, by their own admission,“labor under a misunderstanding,” when in fact they are poorly informed, and then then criticize others because of that misunderstanding. This is the immaturity of which I spoke. One ought to learn to hold one’s tongue when one is new to the fray.
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See how they love one another.
 
Spirithound said:
Ok, as it is clear to me that the Divine Office is not translated, I now ask, which takes precedence, Sunday Evening II or Assumption Evening I ?

Thanks!
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I believe Assumption Evening Prayer I is precedent.

tee
 
Spirithound said:
Ok, as it is clear to me that the Divine Office is not translated, I now ask, which takes precedence, Sunday Evening II or Assumption Evening I ?
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Yes, Solemnities of the Blessed Virgin Mary outrank Sundays in Ordinary Time.
 
dans0622 said:
Hello again,

The FSSP (et al.) are allowed to celebrate these feasts on their “traditional” days–an allowance has been made for those who observe the old calendar, when this sort of movement of feasts was not done. I know that I have seen a directive from “Ecclesia Dei” commission to this effect, although I can’t give you a link to it or a direct reference.

That being said, everyone does fulfill their obligations on the same day, no matter what form of Mass they frequent. In the cases you mention, the FSSP people would not be fulfilling the obligation on January 6, e.g., since there is none on that date. They’d fulfill it on the following Sunday, as everyone does. However, they would be celebrating the first Sunday after Epiphany, not the Epiphany…if that makes sense.

Dan
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That does make sense. And, just as a point of interest, in the Calendar followed by the FSSP , the Feast of the Holy Family is observed on the first Sunday after Epiphany.
 
Chatter163 said:
One ought to learn to hold one’s tongue when one is new to the fray.
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Yes, you should. It is also totally inappropriate to (1) misquote and (2) to quote out of context. You quoted my phrase “labor (sic) under a misunderstanding …”. That was not in response to you. Do not try to put forward false arguments by using quotes which do not apply or which have been taken out of their context.
 
Chatter163 said:
Wow, what an ignorant and immature statement. The FSSP and ICRSS follow the liturgical books and kalendar, which follow the old system. That is not disobedience; it is what they are supposed to do.

(An anomaly of the 1962 kalendar is that the Immaculate Conception is observed on a Sunday, when it falls on that day.)
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If they followed the old liturgical books and calendars they would not be celebrating mass at 7:30 pm. (No mass after noon according to the old books) I guess they too, pick and choose which rules they will bend.
 
Spirithound said:
Is it the case that the obligation (where it exists) to attend Mass on the Assumption is removed when it occurs on a Monday, or is the solemnity actually translated to the Sunday?

If the Mass is translated to the Sunday, is the Divine Office also translated?

If the DO is also translated, what should be prayed on the Monday?
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OK, I have in front of me the 2011 Guide for The Liturgy Of The Hours, published by Catholic Book Publishing Corp. :coffeeread:

It notes Monday as the Solemnity of the Assumption. It also states, very clearly, “(not a holy day of obligation)”.:nope:

It also notes that on the previous day, Sunday 14 August, we use Evening Prayer I of The Assumption.

There is no provision whatsoever in the LOTH for the Assumption to be celebrated on Sunday:dts:

Hope his helps. :highprayer:
 
Unfortuanetely I won’t be able to attend any mass for it, because I will be working wehn the vigil mass is going on. There is not any parish near me that is having a mass on Aug 15.
Only teh evening of the 14th. And like I said, I have to work.

Wish I could go.
 
lisahiku said:
Unfortuanetely I won’t be able to attend any mass for it, because I will be working wehn the vigil mass is going on. There is not any parish near me that is having a mass on Aug 15.
Only teh evening of the 14th. And like I said, I have to work.

Wish I could go.
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Even if you cannot get to Mass on 15 August, perhaps you might be able to do something special? There are numerous prayers, novenas, and other devotions to Mary that can be done on Monday, 15 August. A great day for the Glorious Mysteries of the Dominican rosary, or the Franciscan Crown.👍

And besides the Divine Office (aka LOTH), there is the Little Office of the BVM. 🙂
 
Quite simply, the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is a Holy Day of Obligation (not a “movable feast”). However, when it falls on a Saturday or a Monday, the obligation to attend Mass is abrogated. The Feast of the Assumption falls on Monday in 2011; Catholics in the United States are not required to attend Mass on that Monday.

(Catholics elsewhere may be; check with your priest or your diocese to determine whether the obligation remains in effect in your country.)

Note, FYI, that the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception (Dec. 8) is NEVER abrogated regardless of what day it falls upon.
 
Rudolfo said:
Note, FYI, that the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception (Dec. 8) is NEVER abrogated regardless of what day it falls upon.
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Do you mean that it is a HDO? That would only apply in the United States, as she is patron of your country,
 
BVM_1221 said:
OK, I have in front of me the 2011 Guide for The Liturgy Of The Hours, published by Catholic Book Publishing Corp. :coffeeread:

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There is no provision whatsoever in the LOTH for the Assumption to be celebrated on Sunday:dts:

Hope his helps. :highprayer:
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The guide you have in front of you is constructed for use in the United States. I have no idea:shrug: if the company prepares others for other locales.

tee
 
Rudolfo said:
Note, FYI, that the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception (Dec. 8) is NEVER abrogated regardless of what day it falls upon.
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It depends on what is meant by *abrogated *-- As noted above, there is no obligation when the solemnity is translated to Monday 9-Dec.

And, of course, it depends on being present in a locale where the obligation has been generally retained

tee
 
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