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philipl
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Control the Language and You Control the Mind.
Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media
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Pup7
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Oh please. Disagreeing with illegal immigration doesn’t make one racist.
ETA: Admittedly it might on FB. LOL.
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ProdglArchitect
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In doesn’t, but that doesn’t stop people from labeling you as a racist. I’ve been called racist / anti-migrant / anti-Mexican multiple times for simply saying that I think people should migrate legally.Theo520:
Oh please. Disagreeing with illegal immigration doesn’t make one racist.
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Thom18
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That’s definitely in poor taste, to say the least. Shame the country that doesn’t want to let in everyone without exception, but not the country that people are “fleeing” from?
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IWantGod
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If the public anger and outrage against illegal immigrants from Mexico isn’t partly fueled by racism, then why don’t i hear or see the same kind of anger aimed at, lets say, illegal immigrants from Canada?
I just keep hearing about Mexicans. Is there something about Mexicans in particular that merits such anger and outrage?
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Pup7
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Because pretty much no one is illegally immigrating from Canada, for one. With that said, if they’re illegal and they’re Canadian, they’re in the wrong, and shouldn’t be here.
Because illegal immigration from Mexico is a real issue. It has absolutely nothing to do with race.
I personally don’t care where an illegal immigrant is from - because they’re illegal. That hardly makes me racist. They’re not here legally. They’re not meant to be here. I don’t care if they’re a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant who’s knowingly overstayed their visa or someone who walked across the nearest border and who isn’t here legally: they’re illegal.
Also likely because this thread is about a statement made by the Mexico bishops regarding that very issue, which also doesn’t make the thread racist.
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Around 100,000 Canadians live under the radar in U.S. as illegal immigrants. Yet the hysteria against immigration seems targeted at Mexicans. I would have thought all and any illegal immigrants would be a public outrage if people cared so much. That there would be more immigrants coming from any particular country would be besides the point.
I can see how the public’s outcry against illegal Mexicans could be reasonably construed as prejudice and racism hiding behind a genuine problem. I can see how it might be the case that there is a genuine phobia against illegal Mexicans in particular.
Perhaps you are not a racist. But there is some real anger against illegal Mexicans. It’s big news. Them illegal Mexicans must be living in some really desperate situations to want to go to a country that hates them.
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Pup7
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How many illegal Mexicans are estimated to be living under the radar in the US as illegal immigrants?
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IWantGod
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It’s besides the point isn’t it? If you are strongly against immigration, then the country and the race and the number, is irrelevant. Illegal immigration is the issue, not people.
If the Mexicans have to go, then they all should go and they should all be equally perceived as a problem.
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JanSobieskiIII
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No it’s not besides the point. It’s the entire point. If there’s 5 million illegal Mexicans vs 100k illegal Canadians one is a drastically bigger issue than the other particularly when coupled with the different socioeconomic impact of people from 1st world civilized nations vs borderline failed narco states.
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IWantGod
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I would have thought illegal immigration is the problem
If they are illegal immigrants then they are all criminals regardless of where they have come from.
The problem is that they are in America illegally. That they have come from poverty is probably the reason they are entering the country illegally in the first place. But that’s besides the point isn’t it?
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Pup7
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You 100% realize that’s what I said, correct?Pup7:
It’s besides the point isn’t it? If you are strongly against immigration, then the country and the race and the number, is irrelevant. Illegal immigration is the issue, not people.
If the Mexicans have to go, then they all should go and they should all be equally perceived as a problem.
I’m married to a legal immigrant. I’m totally against any illegal immigration.
100,000 illegal Canadians (no, Canadian does not equal to “white”) in the US.
An estimated 6-7 million illegal Mexicans in the US.
Approximately ten/twelve million illegals in the US as a whole.
Still not a racist issue. It’s the bigger issue, and it’s made bigger by the fact that Mexico does little about it and pillories us for wanting to close our borders to it (which made their recent debacle all the more ironic).
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Theo520
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This thread references Mexican Bishops so that may be part of it.
I see frustration with our Govt rather than anger at illegal immigrants. I find them acting very rationally, pursuing a better economic outcome, though illegal in method.
Canadians and Europeans combined are in much smaller numbers, I don’t cut them any slack for working illegally here.
Mexico is often the central focus because they are by far the primary source. It’s fact based, not racist.
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Pup7
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I’m not. Entertaining the idea publicly about a complete stranger doesn’t make you cool.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Murder and theft are both crimes. One is a bigger deal than the other.
1st degree murder and involuntary man slaughter are both crimes. One is a bigger deal than the other.
The fact of that matter is illegal immigrants from south of the border (Mexico, Central America, etc) have a bigger adverse effect on America economically than would say one from canada.
Both need caught, both need expelled, but you focus resources on the bigger problem.
1st degree murder and involuntary man slaughter are both crimes. One is a bigger deal than the other.
The fact of that matter is illegal immigrants from south of the border (Mexico, Central America, etc) have a bigger adverse effect on America economically than would say one from canada.
Both need caught, both need expelled, but you focus resources on the bigger problem.
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IWantGod
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I said If the public anger and outrage against illegal immigrants from Mexico isn’t partly fueled by racism, then why don’t i hear or see the same kind of anger aimed at, lets say, illegal immigrants from Canada?
And i also said that perhaps you are not a racist. I don’t imagine that every person who is against illegal immigrants has a racist agenda. But i do think that there is a phobia against illegal immigrants from Mexico in particular, probably whipped up by the media, in a way that is not true for illegal immigrants from Canada.
I don’t think i am unreasonable to point out how that can be construed as racism.
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Pup7
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I didn’t address that with what I said.
What I said was, I didn’t appreciate you entertaining the idea that “perhaps” I’m a racist, when I’ve expressly stated what my issue is with illegal immigration as a whole.
You’re free to think what you like, but I’ve told you my stance, and it’s not racist in nature in the least. I’ve emigrated a person from the UK, and I believe in Federal law. We followed it.
I don’t have any sort of “phobia” against anyone. I’m too well traveled, too well educated, and far too old for that range of nonsense. I have a problem with people being here illegally, and I’ve stated that. Saying “perhaps you’re not a racist” implies that you don’t believe me, and I take offense at that, because I’m not lying.
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IWantGod
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Perhaps that was not the best thing to say, but I have at the very least given you the benefit of the doubt and i did not call you a liar.
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Pup7
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I said “implies”, not that you did. Why even say “perhaps”? Why not just take what I continuously say at face value? I don’t care about what color illegal immigrants are, where they’re from, or any of that. I’ve said why I feel that way: I’ve navigated the system. The US was under no obligation to permit my husband entry, but we’re both very glad they did. There was nothing questionable in his record, but BCIS, as (I think, LOL) they were known at the time, had the prerogative to say “no, sorry”. I’m glad they didn’t.
The one group that I think gets really treated unfairly are those who fall under DACA, because if you’re brought here against your will, it’s not your fault, and apparently there is no pathway at all to help these people fix the situation they find themselves in - and that’s wrong in my opinion. That group is primarily Hispanic, but there are others who fit that as well. Still doesn’t matter. Just because someone is against illegal immigration doesn’t mean they’re racist, and it’s wrong to automatically tar folks with that brush (not directed at you, but those who do say and think that).
Maybe I see that because I know why I feel the way I do.
The one group that I think gets really treated unfairly are those who fall under DACA, because if you’re brought here against your will, it’s not your fault, and apparently there is no pathway at all to help these people fix the situation they find themselves in - and that’s wrong in my opinion. That group is primarily Hispanic, but there are others who fit that as well. Still doesn’t matter. Just because someone is against illegal immigration doesn’t mean they’re racist, and it’s wrong to automatically tar folks with that brush (not directed at you, but those who do say and think that).
Maybe I see that because I know why I feel the way I do.
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Is there sizable illegal immigration from Canada?
I’d be fine with it if they’d admit that their country is in shambles and that they’d like to start paying taxes.
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