Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

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Cruciferi said:
I’d be fine with it if they’d admit that their country is in shambles and that they’d like to start paying taxes.
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If i was an illegal immigrant i would gladly pay taxes rather than be deported to hell. LOOOL
 
Actually, I want their government to publicly admit to being a failure. I want their government to admit to supporting the drug cartels. Then I want them to start paying their fair share and we’ll forget about that silly wall.
 
There is too much corruption. That won’t happen. What is more likely to happen is that Mexico will collapse and then America will have a real immigration problem on it’s hands, not that it ain’t a problem already. .
 
IWantGod said:
Admittedly it’s relatively small compared to Mexico. But lets face it, it’s not surprising given that we are talking about Mexico.
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So do you acknowledge that the numbers support people calling out Mexico as a specific target, and it doesn’t mean they are racist?
 
We should just go ahead and annex Mexico if we’re going to be responsible for them all anyway. Might as well get some good real estate out of it.
 
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So do you acknowledge that the numbers support people calling out Mexico as a specific target, and it doesn’t mean they are racist?
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Immigration is a genuine concern for every country. But i can see at the same time how some people’s singular attitude toward Mexican illegals in particular could be construed as racist even if they are not because other illegals are not publicly treated with the same anger. Technically, people are correct to be concerned with the large numbers coming in from Mexico. I don’t want to be called a racist just because i believe in borders… But at the same time i see peoples hard faced attitudes, and i can see the potential frenzy and prejudice boiling up, and i see the lack of compassion toward illegals that just want to survive another day… When a racial minority, illegal or not, is targeted with angry sentiment, it’s not unlikely to give way to phobia and racial resentment.

I imagine that’s why Mexican bishops wish to say the migrant is a gift because they can see everything that can go wrong with the current campaign against illegal immigration and they care just as much for the dignity of the illegal immigrant as everyone else. That they are in America illegally doesn’t change that.
 
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Exactly. Managed correctly, I believe they have enough resources to compensate us for dealing with their mess. It wouldn’t be overnight either. The cartels would be wiped out first and corrupt politicians removed shortly thereafter.
 
Well each Mexican state would have to become its own separate territory. We’d need an appointed governor and legislature rather than an elected one for at least 3 generations. Their own language and culture would have to be suppressed, in all honesty Americans now do not have the stomach to subdue a foreign people.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
We’d need an appointed governor and legislature rather than an elected one for at least 3 generations.
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That would be reasonable.
JanSobieskiIII said:
Their own language and culture would have to be suppressed, in all honesty Americans now do not have the stomach to subdue a foreign people.
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We don’t need to suppress harshly. Most of it will come about naturally as they become assimilated. It’s not invading Iraq.
 
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It wouldn’t need to be suppressed harshly, but their are aspects of their culture which lead to an inherently corrupt governance. And any time a foreign power annexes territory and implements change there will be violent resistance. It’s not Iraq now, but it could easily turn into such. Especially given the amount of money the drug cartels have. Couple that with disgruntled soldiers and officers and you could have a very bloody mess very quickly.
 
IWantGod said:
I imagine that’s why Mexican bishops wish to say the migrant is a gift because they can see everything that can go wrong with the current campaign against illegal immigration and they care just as much for the dignity of the illegal immigrant as everyone else. That they are in America illegally doesn’t change that.
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I care about human dignity. But I believe in helping our own first.

Our own people are gifts, yet we treat them far worse and with far less regard than we do much of the rest of the world. What about the dignity of Americans? (And before someone goes there, “American” denotes a blue passport holder, a citizen of the US. That’s the nationality identifying those of us in the United States of America.)

In another thread there’s a discussion about hunger here in the States. We throw away BILLIONS of tonnage of food a year in this country and are arguably one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, yet there are kids who go to bed every night of their lives without enough to eat - while living in the land of plenty. That’s wrong.

There are kids in this country who are cold in the winter because they don’t have coats or because - and this is the worst part - they go to school in places like Baltimore, which made national news after it was learned that a huge portion of their inner-city school district literally had no heat in the dead of winter. Maryland is not the tropics. That’s wrong.

Flint, MI. Need I say more? That’s wrong.

People in the US lose everything they own because they get sick. The average American is said to be one serious illness away from losing their house. That’s wrong.

I could go on and on and on.

I do what I can, I vote for whom I feel will do their best for the US, I donate time and money to causes that put us first, and I believe the good fortune we have should be shared - but I’d have no issues in becoming a bit more frugal with the cash we distribute and start spending our hard-won dollars on fixing our own problems over supporting the rest of the world in their need to fix theirs. And I bet I’m not the only one who feels that way.

The worst part of this is there are people who will tell me I’m wrong to feel like that, and I can’t figure out why.
 
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There’s not much unity, the people with more native appearances are treated less well by the more European ones, who make up most of the governing officials. They’re heavily reliant on bribes for things to get done in a timely manner, the influence of socialism from the late 1800s has created a system of dependence on government, their anti clerical laws makes the government hostile to the church which means the church has a hard time picking up slack and doing its role.

I’m not gonna write a thesis paper but there’s a reason it’s a sh** hole. Corruption is the biggest one. And corruption is rampant in most Hispanic countries.
 
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Here’s a few options that could be employed :
  • Sanction Mexico for encouraging illegal immigration and violent cartels
  • Target smugglers and cartels using drones and Special Forces
  • Deliver an Ultimatum demanding certain improvements otherwise there’ll be unspecified repercussions (Open Military Force)
Granted, this assumes that the US Government isn’t somehow complicit in this travesty…,
 
Pup7 said:
The worst part of this is there are people who will tell me I’m wrong to feel like that, and I can’t figure out why.
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While the nationalistic concern of looking after our own problems first isn’t intrinsically immoral, it has been an excuse in the past to ignore the dignity of others, alienate others, and commit great evil against the “other”, even against immigrants that are “Legal”. It’s not surprising therefore that people get uneasy and have a knee-jerk reaction to ideas such as yours. However, i am not saying that your position is inherently immoral. It’s just potentially dangerous if the absolute dignity and value of the “other” is not recognized.

Immigration has done a lot of good. Yet the dark side of immigration is all i see on the news.
 
IWantGod said:
Yet the dark side of immigration is all i see on the news.
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Because it’s a real problem.

The US government does a lot of good in the world. The military has done some wonderful things. No one talks about all the humanitarian aid and assistance we offer worldwide.

They just pillory us when poor intel leads to an error.

Same thing.
 
IWantGod said:
It’s just potentially dangerous if the absolute dignity and value of the “other” is not recognized.
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Again…what about the dignity of the people needlessly suffering right here, who are completely entitled to the assistance and protection of their own government?
 
IWantGod said:
Immigration has done a lot of good. Yet the dark side of immigration is all i see on the news.
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That’s because illegal immigration is being portrayed as representing both legal and illegal immigration. It significantly muddies the water in discussing and resolving the real problems we have.
 
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