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It’s a classic case of good people under a bad government. We suffer from it too.
Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media
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Theo520
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Isn’t that obvious?
Do you despise your neighbor for calling in the cops and social welfare because they’ve been abusing their children, or pets, or have a meth lab, etc etc.
At some point you are just being a good neighbor by intervening. I don’t think we are there with Mexico, but we have gone there with other countries.
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HolySpirit
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I think that most families remain in Mexico while one person crosses the border. The border crosser ends up earning money and sending it back to Mexico to support their family. If they really wanted to become Americans instead of Mexicans, families would cross together instead of having much of the family remaining in Mexico.
Many people would argue that Mexicans as a whole do not become Americanized as quickly as other people who move to our country. Often they do not learn English and they keep their culture and even their holidays. How would this improve by making Jalisco the 51st state? If they are going to stay culturally Mexican, how would it benefit the US to add them as a state?
Many people would argue that Mexicans as a whole do not become Americanized as quickly as other people who move to our country. Often they do not learn English and they keep their culture and even their holidays. How would this improve by making Jalisco the 51st state? If they are going to stay culturally Mexican, how would it benefit the US to add them as a state?
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Yep. And as an American, I am first concerned about the well-being of my fellow countrymen. That is best for my country - taking care of my own - and ensuring that they are first to receive our protection and our care. Then everyone else.Pup7:
It doesn’t. But if i was an American, with that knowledge i can have a more balanced understanding of the issue which should help me make a better judgement in regards to what’s best for my country in relation to those who are already here and are making a positive contribution.
Americans too are “already here” - they are citizens. Yep, I put them ahead of my own spouse. He is my concern, as I told the US government that he will not become a burden on the state. And in reality, he would also tell you he comes behind the citizen, until he himself is one. I say that because I’ve heard him say it himself.
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redbetta
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None of that disproves my point that Mexico is a lousy neighbor. The people may be fine, but the country isn’t.
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Any people argue poorly then. My experience is that all Mexican immigrants speak mostly English by the second generation (let’s face it, it’s hard for an adult to become fluent in a new language). That is one or two generations faster than most Europeans in the 19th century. Our ancestors moved to ethnic communities and towns and stayed with others of the same ethnicity for mulitiple generations. My grandfather did not speak English until he went to school. Only Get man was spoken at home. That was 60 years after his great grandfather immigrated from Germany.
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JanSobieskiIII
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I never said make them states. I said annex them as territory with appointed governors. They would have no more say in the federal government than Puerto Rico or Guam.
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Pup7
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If people don’t want to be citizens, how do you explain this?
From NBC News: Naturalizations Backlog Could Keep Thousands of Immigrants From Voting
At the end of June 2016, 524,014 naturalization applications were reported under review across all 50 states according to the USCIS. Though the number does not represent the exact number of applications in the backlog, a review of the pending cases by state from this period to the third quarter of fiscal year 2015 does show a 31.2 percent growth in pending applications.
Another web search shows an entry visa backlog of over 50,000 applications. (That actually sounds quite low to me, to be honest.)
We have about 10 million undocumented illegal immigrants (and that’s just an estimate). It’s not as if they came here to leave and go somewhere else. They came here and stayed.
https://www.immigrationdirect.com/immigration-statistics/immigrant-visas.jsp
In 2010 over 400,000 immigrant visas were issued for people wanting to come to the US. Those aren’t entry visas. Those are people who want to come to live here. Those aren’t work visas, those are people who want to stay here. A work visa is a non-immigrant visa.
We issued over 350K so-called green cards (which is funny to me because they’re not green anymore, they’re white) to persons who applied under business and family-based immigration categories in 2010 alone. A green card gives someone permission to live and work as a lawful permanent resident - like my husband - in the United States.
https://immigrationroad.com/green-c...ds-issued-per-year-per-category.php?year=2010
I really can’t think of another country with these immigration numbers. So forgive us for “believing” people still want to come here. We hear all the time from international media how terrible we are for not being able to process applications fast enough.
I’ve been a lot of places. I’ve never heard anyone say “the reason I don’t like Americans is because you assume people want to live there” - and I think I know why. Because millions still do. I assume nothing. But it’s amazing for how “terrible” everyone wants to make us out to be, people clamor and risk everything to get here. It really is mind-boggling, because I don’t know if I’d have the wherewithall to do what I know some do to get here.
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Gab123
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I can understand why the poor and unemployed in Mexico head to the U.S. I think the United States should make it easy for migrant workers to come to the U.S. to work; and if they want to become citizens there should be a pathway. Maybe service in the military etc.
Many demand that people come into this country legally; though when it is made practically impossible for most, and one has to wait 20 years to obtain a green card then many resort to illegal immigration. The solution is to streamline the process, Sure, build the wall; but as Trump says, include a big fat wall for people to come in legally, so people don’t have to live in the shadows or be taken advantage of. There has to be a faster process.
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Theo520
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Do you have evidence to support what you think?
Since 1 in 12 births is an anchor baby, a whole lotta families are also coming with that single worker. FYI, farm workers often come as a family.
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HolySpirit
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Do you think that a person who lives in Guadalajara, Jalisco wants to be an American? If he or she wanted to be an American, they wouldn’t be living in Guadalajara, Jalisco. Saying that your average Mexican wants to be an American is pretty rude. Do you enjoy it when people from other countries tell you what is wrong with America having never stepped foot in America.
If you did enjoy it, I don’t think that you would be arguing when a foreigner made a blanket statement about Americans being racists.
If you did enjoy it, I don’t think that you would be arguing when a foreigner made a blanket statement about Americans being racists.
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HolySpirit
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Years of living in Arizona and having professional contact with illegal immigrant communities. You could count the number of law abiding illegal immigrants who were not sending money to family members in Mexico on one hand.
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Theo520
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Survey data indicates they prefer what we offer, and 33% would immigrate
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It’s very comfortable isn’t it?
It’s very comfortable isn’t it?
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IWantGod
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Well, if burden is a criteria for judging the potential for granting illegal immigrants citizenship then I’d say an estimated $11.74 billion annually in state and local taxes is good for America and is a good indication why you should think that they would actually be the opposite of a burden. This is assuming that your American-Nationalist stance isn’t purely ideological and is open to rational and practical considerations that are actually going to help your country, rather than bury it in to the ground because “you were here first”…
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Pup7
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LOL who said anything about the average Mexican?
Stop putting words in my mouth/in my posts. You said this:
And I responded.
That actually doesn’t concern me much - as I assume they have absolutely no idea of what they’re talking about, and by commenting, they generally prove it.
Anyone who makes a blanket statement such as that usually proves the ignorance they’re working to hide.
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HolySpirit
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So you think that we should make decisions for the 2/3s of Mexicans who want to remain in Mexico and continue to be Mexicans. I know one thing. That sure isn’t a Democratic way of solving the situation.
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Pup7
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I’m thinking he just commented in response to this:
And used hard stats to do it.
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HolySpirit
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Do you ever make it a practice to read past posts before responding to present posts? It seems like we have this discussion daily.
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Pup7
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Do you ever make it a practice to not parent people when they comment in an open forum?
And yeah I did - I clicked all the way up on multiple posts.
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