Wow, I think that’s pretty intolerant. There are plenty of men and women who have fought their way out of the 'hood and made decent lives for themselves. When they dedicate themselves to character and doing better for themselves and their kids than they had growing up, it’s doable.
The article says that Vick should be required to pay the bulk of his wages back “into the community. Non-profit organizations and inner-city schools are just two groups who could benefit from Vick’s return if handled properly. Might donations to Humane Societies seem fit?”
Yeah I thnk that is over the line too. I see no reason to even bring race into this. It is about character. It is about how we “forgive” to make ourselves feel better not to do the right thing. It is about the lack of honor, pride, and shame that we are all sharing in. I know that in my house what you do speaks louder than what you say and honor, pride, honesty and virtue is something that is valued over anything else.Wow, I think that’s pretty intolerant. There are plenty of men and women who have fought their way out of the 'hood and made decent lives for themselves. When they dedicate themselves to character and doing better for themselves and their kids than they had growing up, it’s doable.
Of course, then they get accused of “acting white” by the people who refuse to work as hard as they did to get out.
I am sure his agent will be all over every little dollar spent in this department. Actually Vick could do some good long term if he truley changes through Christ. However, just getting him to think of the good he could do first THEN be concerned about his career would have been great. So far this looks like a great PR firm job. But there is always hope. I just wish instead of “gettin paid” he thought about the right things to be teaching young people right now. Here is his gut check moment, A time where for the past 2 years he could have been showing his amends but instead of gut check time it is just check time.
I am just stating what people feel and what I hear them saying and it isn’t good. The NFL can play all the mid season “put Vick in when no ones looking game”, but the people do not like bullies. I don’t like them either. As for being in the hood, leaving the hood and then going back to the hood, was all by his own choice. If he went back to his neighborhood to make it better for the people he grew up with, no one would be talking about this, but he went back to prey on his old neighbors and friends who he knew would flock to his pit bull fights like flys to a manure wagon. Vick made business people out of them and the business was watching two dogs tear each other apart. If you read about these thugs, Feeding the dogs no food and gunpowder really gets them going. That is what raises the tension level. There are too many people in this country that honor animals and do not like people like Vick taking advantage of a person or animal that cannot defend itself.Wow, I think that’s pretty intolerant. There are plenty of men and women who have fought their way out of the 'hood and made decent lives for themselves. When they dedicate themselves to character and doing better for themselves and their kids than they had growing up, it’s doable.
Of course, then they get accused of “acting white” by the people who refuse to work as hard as they did to get out.
Has Vick done anything to you personally?ESPN Is reporting tha Vick may sign soon. Perhaps the patriots. Figures… I guess we will see how far the fame and dollar status go.
And on the heels of more steroid leaks in baseball and homosexexual slurs in College football.
“Where are all the good men dead, in the heart or in the head?”
I think we have hashed this out.
I think that what he has doen should offend you personally. I think he should not be given the privalege to play. I hope he goes to heaven. I think the military would haev kicked him out and they aren’t “unchristian” for having those standards. And I flat out am not a fan of his. frankly I think we can move on in this conversation without sanctimonious saint prayer wars.Yeah, those people just can’t help it can they!
Maybe it is genetic. If the subject of racism comes up, or if it is not race you are referring to but class, then I wanted to tag this post as the start.FYI - It doesn’t offend me personally, not even in the least. I recognize that many people have failings and many people do something in their life that could have landed them in jail or prison. At least his crime was only directed against animals and not people. In Texas what he did would only be a misdemeanor.I think we have hashed this out.
Yeah, and I usually agree with the majority of your posts. But we disagree here. I think you should be offended. You certainly don’t have to be. But I guess the real reason that I am so offended is that football and honor and character and religion are so tight in my mind that I just can’t respect this guy or anyone who chooses him to lead.
Absolutely. However, that is usually within the discipline of that profession. The legal profession has a direct quantifiable reason why any law breaker would be censored, as does the law enforcement profession. Likewise certain crimes are more germaine to certain professions. Theft would exclude many job opportunities, for example.
And this may be the heart of the problem. Many children look up to sports “heroes” as if they were role models. Perhaps our culture needs to be more clear that famous people aren’t necessarily good people.
Why?I think we have hashed this out.
I thnk you have made your points and I have made mine. there is nothing new in what we are saying now, so lets just move on with the topic.
Lets not demonize each other over weather we think a sports figure should play or not. ok?
Again, we have hashed this out. I am happy for you on your spiritual journey.
So how come “hate the sin, not the sinner” doesn’t apply here with Vick?
isn’t that the truth.
Yeah, TO, Vick, and the many others in sports that have this “too cool” attitude are a sad commentary. But I have a close personal friend who was a reciever on three different NFL teams and not only is he one of the most faithful Catholics I know. And he has many stories of virtuous people in these sports that we can look to as great examples. But the PR machines just don’t seem to like to focus on the positive.
Fighting your way out of a bad situation is commendable. Sliding your way back into your neighborhood to take advantage of the people who are still disavantaged is obscene.Quote:
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Wow, I think that’s pretty intolerant. There are plenty of men and women who have fought their way out of the 'hood and made decent lives for themselves. When they dedicate themselves to character and doing better for themselves and their kids than they had growing up, it’s doable.
Of course, then they get accused of “acting white” by the people who refuse to work as hard as they did to get out.**
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I am just stating what people feel and what I hear them saying and it isn’t good. The NFL can play all the mid season “put Vick in when no ones looking game”, but the people do not like bullies. I don’t like them either. As for being in the hood, leaving the hood and then going back to the hood, was all by his own choice. If he went back to his neighborhood to make it better for the people he grew up with, no one would be talking about this, but he went back to prey on his old neighbors and friends who he knew would flock to his pit bull fights like flys to a manure wagon. Vick made business people out of them and the business was watching two dogs tear each other apart. If you read about these thugs, Feeding the dogs no food and gunpowder really gets them going. That is what raises the tension level. There are too many people in this country that honor animals and do not like people like Vick taking advantage of a person or animal that cannot defend itself.
Dogs help the blind manuver through life, the police dogs defend us and our homes, they are with the American soldier fighting for this country and they find survivors when buildings come crashing down. And for these and many other reasons, people don’t care what his problem was.