Michele Bachmann: We May ‘Never See a More Godly, Biblical President’ Than Trump

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Yes …NK is a puppet of China…and you can bet China will make sure that NK never becomes a puppet of the US…no way in the world they want any…(particularly military)…influence from the US right on their border…look at their belligerent attitude towards the US and other nations in the South China sea…if the US tried to overthrow the regime in NK…either militarily or by other means…you can bet China would see that as a hostile threat to their own security…might be time to dig your fallout shelter
 
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In no particular order: non-payment of employees and contractors when he was a developer, lying about the number of floors on his buildings when he was a developer, lying about the size of the crowd at his inauguration, suing a reporter for allegedly low-balling his net worth in an article he wrote, kicking his brother’s family including a prematurely born infant off health insurance as retribution for a family squabble, mocking John McCain’s war service, mocking a handicapped reporter, mocking his political rivals’ physical attributes, paying money to buy the silence of various inamoratas from the past, encouraging violence against reporters at his rallies, engaging in conspiracy theories, flattering dictators. Some of these things could be considered simply very poor judgement, but most of them are things that any decent person could and should condemn.
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Some of this is hearsay, what is not hearsay, is President Trump is the most pro-life president at least of recent years if not for all presidents. I did not turn my back on the pro-life movement and I believe the pro-life accomplishment outweigh your negatives. I believe it would be more wrong to apply some rather weak criteria as you assert. the man has been in the public eye for 40 years, he is not prefect, he is not a saint but most of us are not.

We have pro-life accomplishments. I’m glad I’m a part of that. It’s the cause for life,.

We have seen real abortion extremism over the past 12 years.

Chris Christie, whom I am sure one can find negatives about, really did good as a pro-lifer, clinics were closed, planned parenthood defunded. He was for Trump, good enough for me.

Fine, don’t vote for Trump and one is not a part of any pro-life accomplishments of this administration.
 
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It’s not that I don’t think he’s been pro-life, it’s just that I don’t see why any Republican President couldn’t do those things.
 
And we are fortunate to even have a Republican president, anyone.

NY, California, Illinois, heavily populated blue states are solid Democrat.

New Jersey is solid Democrat, it’s pretty big.

Florida and Texas conceivably could flip at some time.

What do the Democrats have in store? Late term third trimester abortions. Trump gives us a chance.

I don’t buy at all, that any of the others could have won, that’s supposition.

8 years of Obama, he voted 4 times in Illinois against the BAIPA, Born Alive Infant Protection Act, no matter how you boil it down.

And Libya, I wouldn’t point one president out, our foreign policy has been troubling.

I don’t think we should even criticize so much Trump, Bush, Cruz. This is all pretty divisive. All we can do is move forward.
 
Must we call virtue vice and vice virtue to have a pro-life president?
 
Must we do nothing while abortion extremism takes over.

That’s your subjective analysis. Again, all of these candidates can be criticized. Maybe that’s a flaw.

Carly Fiorinia? What if someone says she dragged Hewlett Packard under, cost thousands of people their jobs. They do say that of her.

The list goes on. Reliving the 2016 election? Primaries? What good does that do?

When the rubber hits the road, we have pro-life accomplishments and it may not even last.

Man’s a saint to many, low unemployment rate? Relative calm with North Korea? All your argument is is to basically downgrade these accomplishments.

Talking down prolife accomplishments? That doesn’t seem well, we’d take your advice, we’d have nothing at all.

We did it, others who aren’t for Trump simply did not. That simple. I don’t see how that’s a vice.

A vice may be the Iraq invasion and it’s aftermath and withdrawing troops in 2011. That’s vice for you.
 
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Must we call virtue vice and vice virtue to have a pro-life president?
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I remember reading that Daniel P. Moynihan once complained about someone’s complaint about him or something important to him. Anyway, and probably paraphrasing, he said “I don’t mind him calling a spade a spade, but he doesn’t have to call it a bloody shovel.”

When it comes to Trump, I think there are things to call spades, but the Dems and their media insist on calling them bloody shovels and unfortunately lead others to think so as well.

If Trump said the “p” word every day and twice on Sunday, it still wouldn’t equate in evil to the deliberate killing of one unborn child. Not even remotely.
 
Some conversat ooo ns are private too. I don’t expect something I said 20 years ago to all of a sudden show up today.
 
I’m afghast. Seriously??? The man is incapable of turning the other cheek.
 
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If Trump said the “p” word every day and twice on Sunday, it still wouldn’t equate in evil to the deliberate killing of one unborn child. Not even remotely
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I think that’s a coherent opinion, but I’d like if I may to make one point,

There is a substantial body of informed, intelligent, thoughtful opinion that does not agree with the Catholic view of abortion. I am not of course trying to argue that the Catholic view is wrong, merely that it is evidently possible for an honourable man to disagree with it.

It is difficult however to imagine an honourable man who would approve of sexual assault, serial adultery, compulsive lying, the diversion of charity funds, verbal abuse of public servants and attempts to obstruct the processes of the justice system.
 
No, renaming words is a tool of propaganda. Being pro-life is speaking Truth and we have a President who is Pro-Life and taking action to protect Life. We are glad he is the President.
 
Is being pro-life more important than plain basic honesty? The answer here seems to be yes.
 
tomarin said:
Is being pro-life more important than plain basic honesty? The answer here seems to be yes.
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From what I have observed from the most avid here, it is not just being pro-life that is more important than honesty. It is reflecting that in party affiliation or voting. There have even been challenges about “supporting” Democrats in discussion - whatever the objective merits in the matter at hand.

I think that this attitude hurts the pro-life movement.
 
tomarin said:
Is being pro-life more important than plain basic honesty? The answer here seems to be yes.
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The most pro-life person in the world is still a sinner. We’re all sinners. If your looking for a perfect pro-life person you will never find one.
 
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tomarin:
Is being pro-life more important than plain basic honesty? The answer here seems to be yes.
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The most pro-life person in the world is still a sinner. We’re all sinners. If tour w for a perfect pro-life person you will never find one.
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I think tomarin was just asking for basic honesty - not perfection. If you throw a stone in a crowd you are 99.5% guaranteed to hit someone more honest than Trump. We can and we should expect better from our President.
 
What is your point? Seems there is a garbled statement about there is no “we” regarding Americans as a group", etc. Our “current” President - lol - are you trying to suggest he is viewed as easily dismissed? It seems a little desperate to throw such a weak barb from your location.
 
tomarin said:
Is being pro-life more important than plain basic honesty? The answer here seems to be yes.
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You know, some forms of abortion, saline abortions mean burning a baby alive. Some abortions, dismemberment abortions mean tearing a human being apart.

Go on and be sanctimonious.

I don’t see the dishonesty. That’s what you see.

I’m glad for me, personally and no matter on how small of a basis, I helped in this pro-life cause.

BTW, I don’t see Trump as dishonest. It’s how he expresses himself. So what?

You judge, I judge, he judges, she judges, they judge, we judge. Those are just opinions.

We might call into question if one is bearing false witness too. If one is following Christian teaching that tells us to forgive.
 
Victoria33 said:
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tomarin:
Is being pro-life more important than plain basic honesty? The answer here seems to be yes.
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I don’t see the dishonesty. That’s what you see.
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The total disregard for the truth in the execution of his office is not excused by his appointment of Kavanaugh. Catholic teaching does not take the matter of the Truth lighly.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The total disregard for the truth in the execution of his office is not excused by his appointment of Kavanaugh. Catholic teaching does not take the matter of the Truth lighly.
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That again is your opinion and again, seems sanctimonious and self-righteous.

I don’t seem to ever see you criticize pro-choice politicians.

Catholic teaching tells us to forgive and I see nothing even, I need to forgive the president about.

We are commanded indeed, to trust others
 
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