Mike Huckabee: U.S. moving toward 'criminalization of Christianity'

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To some people Ishii. That’s the point.
Oh now understand you better. Relativism: some might disagree with our morality so we shouldn’t have any laws or standards. No laws against slavery (some might have a different belief). No laws against Jim Crow laws (who are we to judge white southerners ?).

Thanks for clarifying.

Ishii
 
They are requiring me to provide contraception for my employees.
Private health insurance plans have paid for contraception, and even abortion, for ages now.

Does the Church teach that I’m required to opt out of my company’s health insurance plan, and leave my wife and daughter uninsured, because that plan pays for contraception and even abortion for those who want those things?

Did it ever? I don’t recall that it did, but I could be wrong.

Did the Church ever teach that Catholics couldn’t work for organizations whose insurance plans paid for those things, or at least teach that Catholics had to opt out of such insurance?
 
You mean through health benefits? That’s a joke Estesbob. If you were a Jehovah’s Witness you would also be forced to provide your employees insurance that offers blood transfusions.
Previously, JWs could choose not to provide health insurance to their employees so as to avoid having to pay for blood transfusions. Or they could set up an insurance fund which would allow them to avoid that.

Now, however, they are forced to supply health insurance which violates their beliefs. This is not right either.
If you were Jewish you would have to pay people who would use the money to buy non-Kosher foods.
There is a difference between paying for something oneself; and paying for something else, like someone’s labor. If I pay for someone’s labor, what they choose to do with the money is not my responsibility because the money is no longer mine.

But if I pay an insurance company to provide my employees with immoral things, then it is my money and my responsibility.
I bet some of your employees use the money you pay them to buy books you don’t approve of, or maybe even porn. Who knows what else people have done with the money you 've given them. You are paying for people’s services. What people do with the paychecks and the healthcare you provide them is on them. Your job is to pay what you owe. This is a ruse I’ve heard before Estesbob, and you’re making it sound like the government is making you hand out condoms and rent motel rooms for your employees. Please come up with something viable or go to bed or go watch some TV something.
Estesbob *is *being forced to pay for contraceeptives for his employees by paying for a health insurance policy which provides abc at no cost to the employees.
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Gary
 
Private health insurance plans have paid for contraception, and even abortion, for ages now.

Does the Church teach that I’m required to opt out of my company’s health insurance plan, and leave my wife and daughter uninsured, because that plan pays for contraception and even abortion for those who want those things?

Did it ever? I don’t recall that it did, but I could be wrong.

Did the Church ever teach that Catholics couldn’t work for organizations whose insurance plans paid for those things, or at least teach that Catholics had to opt out of such insurance?
Employees are not those in charge of the decision, so they are not required to opt out or refuse to work for the company.
 
Private health insurance plans have paid for contraception, and even abortion, for ages now.

Does the Church teach that I’m required to opt out of my company’s health insurance plan, and leave my wife and daughter uninsured, because that plan pays for contraception and even abortion for those who want those things?

Did it ever? I don’t recall that it did, but I could be wrong.

Did the Church ever teach that Catholics couldn’t work for organizations whose insurance plans paid for those things, or at least teach that Catholics had to opt out of such insurance?
Mine didnt
 
To some people Ishii. That’s the point.
Because some people believe an error, it is all right for the rest of us to sit back while our government allows the slaughter of unborn babies? Or even force us to pay for it?
 
Because some people believe an error, it is all right for the rest of us to sit back while our government allows the slaughter of unborn babies? Or even force us to pay for it?
I guess the answer is yes. Not sure where the poster ran off to, but that is the only answer. There is no truth, no morality, no objective standards. Slavery isn’t wrong. Jim Crow laws aren’t wrong. Infanticide? Go for it. Who are we to judge? It is only wrong when the state tells us we are wrong. Therefore, we must bake that gay wedding cake.

It is the brave new world of relativism. As we can see, Catholics are not immune to such fallen, heretical ideas.

Ishii
 
I guess the answer is yes. Not sure where the poster ran off to, but that is the only answer. There is no truth, no morality, no objective standards. Slavery isn’t wrong. Jim Crow laws aren’t wrong. Infanticide? Go for it. Who are we to judge? It is only wrong when the state tells us we are wrong. Therefore, we must bake that gay wedding cake.

It is the brave new world of relativism. As we can see, Catholics are not immune to such fallen, heretical ideas.

Ishii
Religious institutions don’t like relativism because each institution thinks it’s the one with the answers. Some more than others. Then they teach people to toss the term around like it’s an error in thinking. When it comes to religion, relativism is simply an admission that while Catholics might believe one thing, and Protestants might believe something slightly different, Muslims believe something else and Hindus believe something else altogether, the truth of the matter is that nobody really knows anything. In truth, the only thing anyone knows for a fact about Jesus for instance is that he was one of at least 12 known self proclaimed Messiahs in Palestine at the time, and among those, he had the fewest followers, and like the rest, he was executed for sedition. After that, it’s all a matter of faith, and that’s all anyone really knows for a fact. You can rail about relativism all you like, but if you had some lock on the ultimate truth, this wouldn’t be an issue. Again, the truth is that nobody knows anything about what all of this is. The world could be anything. ANYTHING. We have no idea what it is or what we are or what consciousness is. Yet some people want everyone else to come to heel and acknowledge their own flavor of iron age mythology as being the ultimate truth. And the insanity of this position is evident in the foolish and petty ways it boils up to the surface of public discourse, for instance, with regard to who we make a cake for or a flower arrangement for. You do see how absolutely trivial that is, right? If you don’t, let me tell you - it’s trivial. As for relativism, well, surprise - the world around us is relative. Everything is relative. The only undeniable truth anyone can say with certainty is that we don’t know anything. And yet we pick on what other people believe.

All the best,
Gary
 
I guess the answer is yes. Not sure where the poster ran off to, but that is the only answer. There is no truth, no morality, no objective standards. Slavery isn’t wrong. Jim Crow laws aren’t wrong. Infanticide? Go for it. Who are we to judge? It is only wrong when the state tells us we are wrong. Therefore, we must bake that gay wedding cake.

It is the brave new world of relativism. As we can see, Catholics are not immune to such fallen, heretical ideas.

Ishii
It isn’t relative in regards to things that the leftist do not like and are therefore intolerant of, like slavery, racism and any hint of religion in government.

Then it is Katy Bar the Doors the Barbarians are at the Gates OMG we are all gonna DIE!

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Religious institutions don’t like relativism because each institution thinks it’s the one with the answers. Some more than others. Then they teach people to toss the term around like it’s an error in thinking. When it comes to religion, relativism is simply an admission that while Catholics might believe one thing, and Protestants might believe something slightly different, Muslims believe something else and Hindus believe something else altogether, the truth of the matter is that nobody really knows anything. In truth, the only thing anyone knows for a fact about Jesus for instance is that he was one of at least 12 known self proclaimed Messiahs in Palestine at the time, and among those, he had the fewest followers, and like the rest, he was executed for sedition. After that, it’s all a matter of faith, and that’s all anyone really knows for a fact. You can rail about relativism all you like, but if you had some lock on the ultimate truth, this wouldn’t be an issue. Again, the truth is that nobody knows anything about what all of this is. The world could be anything. ANYTHING. We have no idea what it is or what we are or what consciousness is. Yet some people want everyone else to come to heel and acknowledge their own flavor of iron age mythology as being the ultimate truth. And the insanity of this position is evident in the foolish and petty ways it boils up to the surface of public discourse, for instance, with regard to who we make a cake for or a flower arrangement for. You do see how absolutely trivial that is, right? If you don’t, let me tell you - it’s trivial. As for relativism, well, surprise - the world around us is relative. Everything is relative. The only undeniable truth anyone can say with certainty is that we don’t know anything. And yet we pick on what other people believe.

All the best,
Gary
So is Catholicism akin to an Iron Age mythology? Are there any absolute truths?

First you tell us there is no attack on Christianity. You backpedaled and tell us that the attack is just “trivial .” And then you tell us oh, by the way, religion is just ancient superstitions anyway
 
. The law also forces gay florists to make floral arrangements for the weddings of fundamentalist extremists who have done everything they can to subjugate gay people.
Oh? Give us some case citations we can look up if you wish to persuade us of this. Shouldn’t be hard if they exist.
 
Religious institutions don’t like relativism because each institution thinks it’s the one with the answers. Some more than others. Then they teach people to toss the term around like it’s an error in thinking. When it comes to religion, relativism is simply an admission that while Catholics might believe one thing, and Protestants might believe something slightly different, Muslims believe something else and Hindus believe something efflse altogether, the truth of the matter is that nobody really knows anything. In truth, the only thing anyone knows for a fact about Jesus for instance is that he was one of at least 12 known self proclaimed Messiahs in Palestine at the time, and among those, he had the fewest followers, and like the rest, he was executed for sedition. After that, it’s all a matter of faith, and that’s all anyone really knows for a fact. You can rail about relativism all you like, but if you had some lock on the ultimate truth, this wouldn’t be an issue. Again, the truth is that nobody knows anything about what all of this is. The world could be anything. ANYTHING. We have no idea what it is or what we are or what consciousness is. Yet some people want everyone else to come to heel and acknowledge their own flavor of iron age mythology as being the ultimate truth. And the insanity of this position is evident in the foolish and petty ways it boils up to the surface of public discourse, for instance, with regard to who we make a cake for or a flower arrangement for. You do see how absolutely trivial that is, right? If you don’t, let me tell you - it’s trivial. As for relativism, well, surprise - the world around us is relative. Everything is relative. The only undeniable truth anyone can say with certainty is that we don’t know anything. And yet we pick on what other people believe.

All the best,
Gary
Wow!You say this as a Catholic? The fullness of truth lies in the Catholuc Faith,instituted by Jesus Christ,whi is the Way,the Truth and the Life.That you don’t know this as a Catholic is disturbing.
 
Religious institutions don’t like relativism because each institution thinks it’s the one with the answers. Some more than others. Then they teach people to toss the term around like it’s an error in thinking. When it comes to religion, relativism is simply an admission that while Catholics might believe one thing, and Protestants might believe something slightly different, Muslims believe something else and Hindus believe something else altogether, the truth of the matter is that nobody really knows anything. In truth, the only thing anyone knows for a fact about Jesus for instance is that he was one of at least 12 known self proclaimed Messiahs in Palestine at the time, and among those, he had the fewest followers, and like the rest, he was executed for sedition. After that, it’s all a matter of faith, and that’s all anyone really knows for a fact. You can rail about relativism all you like, but if you had some lock on the ultimate truth, this wouldn’t be an issue. Again, the truth is that nobody knows anything about what all of this is. The world could be anything. ANYTHING. We have no idea what it is or what we are or what consciousness is. Yet some people want everyone else to come to heel and acknowledge their own flavor of iron age mythology as being the ultimate truth. And the insanity of this position is evident in the foolish and petty ways it boils up to the surface of public discourse, for instance, with regard to who we make a cake for or a flower arrangement for. You do see how absolutely trivial that is, right? If you don’t, let me tell you - it’s trivial. As for relativism, well, surprise - the world around us is relative. Everything is relative. The only undeniable truth anyone can say with certainty is that we don’t know anything. And yet we pick on what other people believe.

All the best,
Gary
Well, thanks I guess. Every once in a while someone comes along and posts here and it takes a while to figure out where they are coming from, but I thank you for making things more clear. Given your beliefs as stated above, I can only conclude the following: there is no way to say anything is evil - as there is no truth. So slavery, Jim Crow laws, the Holocaust, etc. Who are we to judge them? Right?

Anyway, the views are not at all in line with the Catholic Church - which has the fullness of truth. Again - thanks for letting us know where you’re coming from.

Ishii
 
Should an accountant be allowed to not do a tax return for a homosexual?
If they want Although I will have to admit in 34 years of doing taxes it has never come up.As I have stated before the only returns I refuse to prepare are for those who have W2s from an abortion provider or those who I feel might be involved in an illegal activity.I also prepare for free anyone’s return that has a W2 reflecting combat pay.
 
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