Minneapolis Riots

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What are your thoughts on this?
I would suggest that if life is in danger, as it is when objects are thrown and fires are set, that all force be used to disperse the people first, arrest them if possible. If not, in this day and time, if needed, film for now and arrest them later, hold them responsible for their crimes, and civilly go after all who were involved in the destruction until the taxpayers, or store owners are reimbursed. This would be justice.

One more thing, while this has not made a lot of the news, there is a lot of video out there of protest that, if not peaceful, was at least not violent.
 
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First, of all, I am not seeing any actual evidence of racial oppression specifically, or racism generally, in this incident.
Not to be uncharitable but what?
Second, whether we think that someone will be convinced by a truth is irrelevant. The truth is the truth whether someone believes it or not. If someone sinfully decides to engage in violence, against God’s command by the way, that is on them.
These are conflicting statements.
“The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it . Martin Luther King, R.
This was true 50 years ago because it was half a century ago. Because we are still facing the same problems the burden of civility is no longer on the oppressed.
 
It’s a long and involved story but the man is on death row and will likely be staying there. I don’t expect a rush to execute him, I don’t much expect him to be removed from the row either at this point. I check every once in a while to see if he’s still with us.

His state might abolish the death penalty in which case he and the others remaining on the row would probably be LWOPed (given life without parole).
 
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Because we are still facing the same problems
If you truly believe we are still like the 1960’s, I can only question your understanding of history. I also think you sell the late Dr. King short if you think his principles were so wishy-washy.
 
If you truly believe we are still like the 1960’s, I can only question your understanding of history.
When a black man tells an officer during a traffic stop he has a registered weapon as required by law and dies of a gun shot wound with his hands on the steering wheel and you say what I quoted?
I’m not the one with a history issue.
 
What if bystanders had intervened
There would be more dead people. (Most likely just injuries as many police have trouble with technique. There is a good reason why usually the entire range is reserved for qualification, no public. I have seen enough that I wouldn’t want to be there anyway.)
Do you really imagine that an unarmed white man would be taken out from his car and murdered on the street for forging a check or using a fake $20 note (not clear what the alleged crime was yet)?
Not murdered, not by police, but. Reginald Denny.
Violence against innocents is not justified no matter the color, or circumstances.
These looters were in the “I want free stuff” group. Shaming themselves, their race, (the HUMAN race) and their communities. “Thugs” come in all colors. The police who behaved as they did, the other officers who allowed the abuse, and the violent and looting crowd. Thugs, all.
Pray for us all.
Dominus vobiscum
 
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I’m not the one with a history issue.
Then logic issues exist. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Injustice exists, and will always exists. Is it better, worse, not enough? These are question that cannot be addressed by specific incidents.
 
I don’t want too see riots but people have been driven too madness. Don’t expect civil disobedience to be civil if you rob people of their dignity.
so you tear up your own community, makes sense to me

I think this former local NAACP leader understands it better (bold mine)
Binns told a reporter she initially went to the “rally” to give her support for the protesters angry about Floyd’s death but soon realized it was going to be a “riot” and left.

“It wasn’t a rally. It was going to be a riot, so I left,” she said. “I know how it was going to end, so I left the rally.”

Binns continued: “Why are we going to burn down the small-business owners who are there for us?” (wash examiner)
great question.
 
I think this former local NAACP leader understands it better (bold mine)
Binns told a reporter she initially went to the “rally” to give her support for the protesters angry about Floyd’s death but soon realized it was going to be a “riot” and left.

“It wasn’t a rally. It was going to be a riot, so I left,” she said. “I know how it was going to end, so I left the rally.”

Binns continued: “Why are we going to burn down the small-business owners who are there for us?” (wash examiner)
People don’t have smypathy for businesses.
 
People shouldn’t have criticized knelling during anthems.
the flag means different things to different people,

if it was draped over a coffin of someone you knew, who died in a senseless war, you wouldn’t take a knee to it and you may get upset with those who did.

that flag didn’t represent the country but the man who gave all.

it may have had a greater impact if he had put a flag on the grave of every person killed by a cop!
 
Freedom can be abused.
That was the complaint made against Colin Kaepernick. Moreover, that is the complaint against those who take protest to the next level, engaging in criminal activity and violence against innocents.
 
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That was the complaint made against Colin Kaepernick. Moreover, that is the complaint against those who take protest to the next level, engaging in criminal activity and violence against innocents.
You don’t seem to be familiar with irony either.
 
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When a black man tells an officer during a traffic stop he has a registered weapon as required by law and dies of a gun shot wound with his hands on the steering wheel and you say what I quoted?
I’m not the one with a history issue.
If we’re thinking of the same case in St. Paul…ya, you have a history problem. From my recollection he told the officer of the weapon and then started reaching for his pants/pocket. He was told to stop a couple of times and didn’t.

Not condoning the actions, but that is my recollection.
 
Not condoning the actions, but that is my recollection.
He reached for his wallet, stopped when told too and tried too explain what he was reaching for and was interrupted by 7 bullets.
 
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He reached for his wallet, stopped when told too and tried too explain what he was reaching for and was interrupted by 7 bullets.
OK… I went back and looked up the case, but didn’t see that. Especially “with his hands on the steering wheel”…
 
Of course these murdering officers were racist! The one who kneeled on George Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes had 17 formal complaints made against him in the past 19 years. One incident involved him shooting a black man in the stomach, who thankfully survived.

Do you really imagine that an unarmed white man would be taken out from his car and murdered on the street for forging a check or using a fake $20 note (not clear what the alleged crime was yet)?
No, you don’t know what was in his head–whether he killed because he hates black people or killed because he’s a bad cop. A lot of things that are blamed on ‘racism’ are nothing but human nature. Some people are lousy human beings and treat everyone badly.

Yes, white men are killed by police, too–and in greater numbers. • Chart: How Many People Are Killed by Police in the U.S.? | Statista

Or look at this site: https://killedbypolice.net/kbp2020/

Yes, black men are killed in greater ratio. But the fact remains that hundreds of white men ARE killed by police every year. What happened to George Floyd is a terrible tragedy and the cops need to be held accountable. But it is not true that this ‘would never’ happen to a white man. It has, it does, it will.

And this matters, because the anger is coming partly from the mistaken belief that black people are being targeted, that it only happens to them.

The media is to blame for this mistaken belief by the way they trumpet every single death of a black man at police hands and rarely if ever mention all the white men dying the same way.

As to the riots–no destruction of property is never okay. And I’m appalled at those who seem to take the attitude of, ‘you get what you deserve because you didn’t make the world perfect.’

Know what? I’m incapable of making the world perfect. I’m incapable of solving all the world’s problems or changing fallen human nature. No one is. That doesn’t mean everyone is racist or ‘doesn’t care.’ It definitely does not mean that people deserve what they’re getting.

I know someone who was working with the medics last night and told us about a girl with her jaw nearly wrenched off her face. Did that girl deserve that because she didn’t somehow stop bad cops?

There are now business owners destroyed, millions of dollars of damage, more deaths, untold injuries, an apartment building burned down that would have housed low income people, buses are shut down, and stores are closing at 6 pm every night. Some just aren’t opening at all.

That means a whole lot of people–MANY of them the minorities that those excusing this destruction claim to care about–are now out of work, living in war zones, scared for their lives, lost a potential home they could have afforded, and have no way to get food.

These riots are not gaining anyone’s sympathy and they’re making life harder not just for white people but for thousands of minorities.

Furthermore, most if not all of these looters and rioters are in it for a night out, for the chance to get free stuff with little chance of getting caught. Most of those people couldn’t care less about George Floyd.
 
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First, of all, I am not seeing any actual evidence of racial oppression specifically, or racism generally, in this incident.
It occurs within the context of many incidents. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/reports
What if bystanders had intervened,
They may have been tased and/or killed, as well. With four armed officers present, there would have been at least two deaths instead of one, and quite possibly inadequate filmed evidence. Intervention may have been possible, but it’s not a clear-cut decision.
If there are racists there, there surely aren’t very many of them, and they won’t have a lot of support for any of their viewpoints or actions
Professing to liberal beliefs isn’t any guarantor against racism, although I’ve so far appreciated how the mayor has responded.
Yes, black men are killed in greater ratio. But the fact remains that hundreds of white men ARE killed by police every year.
As shown in my link above, Black Americans are 3X more likely to be victims of police violence. This isn’t data that we should ignore.
 
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